• Boff@beehaw.org
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    10 months ago

    Honest question, what is Israel supposed to do? Give Hamas concessions? I think history shows that appeasement only emboldens terrorism. Back out now and let Hamas come back with even more local support?

    It’s a lose/lose. There is no winning for Israel. It seems that either Israel makes itself a pariah in the international community by killing countless innocent Palestinians or it lets terrorists win.

    I would love for you or someone to help me see a different way Israel can get back out of this.

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      10 months ago

      I’m going to answer in two parts.

      I grew up a Zionist. In most versions, Zionism envisioned a peaceful, multi-ethnic state. In that sense, the zionist project is half-complete.

      The first half was accomplished by people who aspired to something that everyone said was madness, totally impossible, completely unfeasible, hopelessly unworkable. And they fucking did that thing.

      Now, anyone who considers themselves a Zionist needs to take on the responsibility for continuing that project with the sense of courage and vision

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        10 months ago

        You should think a bit more about that “ladder” concept. In the same way that advocating for manumission doesn’t fix any of the issues with slavery a “path to the rights of the group above” doesn’t fix any of the issues with an apartheid state.

        Unless you’re fine with a little genocide, any apartheid state is not a solution.

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          10 months ago

          I’m saying that the apartheid state needs dismantled.

          It’s just a mental exercise to get people to expand their imagination. I don’t expect the end of apartheid to literally require each group to pass through a series of stages.