I already host multiple services via caddy as my reverse proxy. Jellyfin, I am worried about authentication. How do you secure it?
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So i’ve been trying to set this up this exact thing for the past few weeks - tried all manner of different Nginx/Tailscale/VPS/Traefik/Wireguard/Authelia combos, but to no avail
I was lost in the maze
However, I realised that it was literally as simple as setting up a CloudFlare Tunnel on my particular local network I wanted exposed (in my case, the Docker network that runs the JellyFin container) and then linking that domain/ip:port within CloudFlare’s Zero Trust dashboard
Cloudflare then proxies all requests to your public domain/route to your locally hosted service, all without exposing your private IP, all without exposing any ports on your router, and everything is encrypted with HTTPS by default
And you can even set up what looks like pretty robust authentication (2FA, limited to only certain emails, etc) for your tunnel
Not sure what your use case is, but as mine is shared with only me and my partner, this worked like a charm
Wireguard (or tailscale) would be best here.
setup a WAF appliance and forward traffic through it to your current installation.
WAF??
Whats your setup? I just Ngnix Proxy Manager, Jellyfin etc in Docker. Modify ufw rules and also install this on the server (linux) https://github.com/friendly-bits/geoip-shell
What I used to do was: I put jellyfin behind an nginx reverse proxy, on a separate vhost (so on a unique domain). Then I added basic authentication (a htpasswd file) with an unguessable password on the whole domain. Then I added geoip firewall rules so that port 443 was only reachable from the country I was in. I live in small country, so this significantly limits exposure.
Downside of this approach: basic auth is annoying. The jellyfin client doesn’t like it … so I had to use a browser to stream.
Nowadays, I put all my services behind a wireguard VPN and I expose nothing else. Only issue I’ve had is when I was on vacation in a bnb and they used the same IP range as my home network :-|
I’ve put it behind WireGuard since only my wife and I use it. Otherwise I’d just use Caddy or other such reverse proxy that does https and then keep Jellyfin and Caddy up to date.
I use good ol’ obscurity. My reverse proxy requires that the correct subdomain is used to access any service that I host and my domain has a wildcard entry. So if you access asdf.example.com you get an error, the same for directly accessing my ip, but going to jellyfin.example.com works. And since i don’t post my valid urls anywhere no web-scraper can find them. This filters out 99% of bots and the rest are handled using authelia and crowdsec
If you’re using jellyfin as the url, that’s an easily guessable name, however if you use random words not related to what’s being hosted chances are less, e.g. salmon.example.com . Also ideally your server should reply with a 200 to * subdomains so scrappers can’t tell valid from invalid domains. Also also, ideally it also sends some random data on each of those so they don’t look exactly the same. But that’s approaching paranoid levels of security.
That’s not how web scrappers work lol. No such thing as obscurity except for humans
It seems to that it works. I don’t get any web-scrapers hitting anything but my main domain. I can’t find any of my subdomains on google.
Please tell me how you believe that it works. Maybe i overlooked something…
My understanding is that scrappers check every domain and subdomain. You’re making it harder but not impossible. Everything gets scrapped
It would be better if you also did IP whitelisting, rate limiting to prevent bots, bot detection via cloudflare or something similar, etc.
Are you using HTTPS? It’s highly likely that your domains/certificates are being logged for certificate transparency. Unless you’re using wildcard domains, it’s very easy to enumerate your sub-domains.
And since i don’t post my valid urls anywhere no web-scraper can find them
You would ah… be surprised. My urls aren’t published anywhere and I currently have 4 active decisions and over 300 alerts from crowdsec.
It’s true none of those threat actors know my valid subdomains, but that doesn’t mean they don’t know I’m there.
Of course i get a bunch of scanners hitting ports 80 and 443. But if they don’t use the correct domain they all end up on an Nginx server hosting a static error page. Not much they can do there
This is how I found out Google harvests the URLs I visit through Chrome.
Got google bots trying to crawl deep links into a domain that I hadn’t published anywhere.
This is true, and is why I annoyingly have to keep robots.txt on my unpublished domains. Google does honor them for the most part, for now.
That reminds me … another annoying thing Google did was list my private jellyfin instance as a “deceptive site”, after it had uninvitedly crawled it.
A common issue it seems.
Unsurprising, but still shitty. Par for the course for the company these days.
They did that with most of my subdomains
I am using tailscale but I went a little further to let my family log in with their Gmail( they will not make any account for 1 million dollars)
Tailscale funneled Jellyfin Keycloak (adminless)
Private Tailscale Keycloak admin Postgres dB
I hook up jellyfin to Keycloak (adminless) using the sso plugin. And hook Keycloak up (using the private instance) to use Google as an identity provider with a private app.
SSO plugin is good to know about. Does that address any of the issues with security that someone was previously talking about?
I’d say it’s nearly as secure as
basic authentication. If you restrict deletion to admin users and use role (or group) based auth to restrict that jellyfin admin ability to people with strong passwords in keycloak, i think you are good. Still the only risk is people could delete your media if an adminusers gmail is hacked.
Will say it’s not as secure as restricting access to vpn, you could be brute forced. Frankly it would be preferable to set up rate limiting, but that was a bridge too far for me
I set mine up with Authelia 2FA and restricted media deletion to one user: The administrator.
All others arent allowed to delete. Not even me.
Use a VPN like Tailscale
I have another site on a different port that sits behind basic auth and adds the IP to a short ipset whitelist.
So first I have to auth into that site with basic auth, then I load jellyfin on the other port.
I don’t understand how that isn’t widely deployed. I call it poor man’s Zero Trust.
Kinda hard because they have an ongoing bug where if you put it behind a reverse proxy with basic auth (typical easy button to secure X web software on Internet), it breaks jellyfin.
Best thing is to not. Put it on your local net and connect in with a vpn
I’m not experiencing that bug. My reverse proxy is only accessed locally at the moment though. I did have to play with headers a bit in nginx to get it working.
Basic auth. The bug is if you enable basic auth.
It is enabled, but now I’m doubting that. I’ll double check when my homelab shift is complete.
Tailscale is awesome. Alternatively if you’re more technically inclined you can make your own wireguard tailscale and all you need is to get a static IP for your home network. Wireguard will always be safer than each individual service.
all you need is to get a static IP for your home network
Don’t even need a static IP. Dyndns is enough.
Unless you’re behind cgnat and without ipv6 support.
Love tailscale. The only issue I had with it is making it play nice with my local, daily driver VPN. Got it worked out tho. So, now everything is jippity jippity.
Mostly via empty threats, but occaisonally I have had to whip out the soccer ball
My setup is: Proxmox - restricted LXC running docker which runs jellyfin, tailscale funnel as reverse proxy and certificate provider. So so don’t care about jellyfin security, it can get hacked / broken , its an end road. If so i will delete the LXC and bring it up again using backups. Also i dont think someone will risk or use time to hack a jellyfin server. My strategy is, with webservices that don’t have critical personal data, i have them isolated in instances. I don’t rely on security on anything besides the firewall. And i try not to have services with personal sensitive data, and if i do, on my local lan with the needed protections. If i need access to it outside my local lan, vpn.
For web access, stick it behind a reverse proxy and use something like Authentik/Authelia/SSO provider of your choice to secure it.
For full access including native clients, set up a VPN.
I use Tailscale right now. Which, in fairness, I didn’t state in the post. However, I was hoping to share it more similarly to how I used to with Plex. But, it would appear, I would have to share it through Tailscale only at this point.
Right now none of the native clients support SSO. It is a frequently requested feature but, unfortunately, it doesn’t look like it will be implemented any time soon. As with many OSS projects it is probably a case of “you want it, you build it” - but nobody has actually stepped up.
