What’s up with all these posts lately talking as if C was the chain breaker that will let you achieve a higher spiritual level for your soul or some shit. This is at least the second I’ve seen this week.

It’s a programming language. If you want to use it, use it. There is no illuminati pulling in the strings to prevent you from learning this holy language.

That being said, like all programming languages, it’s a tool, with its upsides and downsides. Depending on the project it might be the best choice or the worst. But with the advancement in language design, there’s very little upsides compared to more modern languages, taking into account its big downsides.

It’s a one line function in an example. It’s a getter.

Lmao, and they say dynamic typing is supposed to speed up the developer.

This is literally a getter function. How is s getter awful code? It’s the simplest function there is. The only function simpler than that is returning the input itself.

Python doesn’t check the types of function headers though. They’re only hints for the programmer.

To be fair, in that article mentions the way to get rust from C. Sure, there is not a compiler written in C, but C is down there in the list of compilers needed for rust, so “just” need to compile some other compilers in the middle.

The bedrock of modern civilizations is expensive to develop, buggy and unergonomic though.

If you make C run, you probably (I’m not sure, would have to verify) can make rust run. And if there isn’t yet, there will probably soon be a C compiler written in rust, so you can choose to bootstrap from wherever you prefer.

C’s ABI will probably last longer than C, since there is not a stable rust ABI though.

At this rate, the US government won’t even consider it as an option! Rust is practically a hippie language.

We need to differentiate between those cases because they are 2 distinct cases. And they are very different.

They don’t even have the same purpose. The purpose of a human learning is: fulfill a desire to learn or acquiring a new skill that will be useful to fulfill another desire. The purpose of AI learning is: increase the value of the model so it can be sold for more.

Lemmy is not an entity that is capable of thought. And I’m not Lemmy. I’m just another person and what you are reading is my opinion.

“Publishers are bad and greedy, therefore everything that hurts them is good for society” is a childish take imo. Not everything is black and white. Copyright exists for a reason. Just removing it won’t make the world better. A law being flawed doesn’t make it worse than not existing.

Don’t need to get philosophical about what is the difference between human and AI learning.

“Consumed by AI” and “consumed by a human” are two distinct use cases that can have different terms in a license.

Media is not exactly like cheese though. With cheese, you buy it and it’s yours. Media, however, is protected by copyright. When you watch a movie, you are given a license to watch the movie.

When an AI watches a movie, it’s not really watching it, it’s doing a different action. If the license of the movie says “you can’t use this license to train AI, use the other (more expensive) license for such purposes”, then AIs have extra fees to access the content that humans don’t have to pay.

So because you don’t understand it, everything it does should be legal?

It’s not rare maths. There are trns of thousands of AI experts. And most CS graduates (millions) have a good understanding on how they work, just not the specifics of the maths.

Yeah, they’re not selling a copy, they are just selling a subscription to a copying machine loaded with the information needed to make a copy. Totally different.

I should start a business of printers and attach a USB with the PNG of a dollar bill. And of course my printers won’t have any government mandated firmware that disables printing fake money.

I’m not printing fake money! It’s my clients! Totally legal.

Yeah. A human right.

Yeah, making sandwiches also costs money! I have to pay my sandwich making employees to keep the business profitable! How do they expect me to pay for the cheese?

EDIT: also, you completely missed my point. The money making machine is the AI because the copyright owners could just use them every time it produces copyright-protected material if we decided to take that route, which is what the parent comment suggested.

If the solution is making the output non-copyrighted it fixes nothing. You can sell the pirating machine on a subscription. And it’s not like Netflix where the content ends when the subscription ends, you have already downloaded all the not-copyrighted content you wanted, and the internet would be full of non-copyrighted AI output.

Instead of selling the bee movie, you sell a bee movie maker, and a spiderman maker, and a titanic maker.

Sure, file a copyright infringement each time you manage to make an AI output copyrighted content. Just run it on a loop and it’s a money making machine. That’s fine by me.

When you copy to consume yourself it’s way different than when you copy to sell the copy for a lower price.

I’ll train my AI on just the bee movie. Then I’m going to ask it “can you make me a movie about bees”? When it spits the whole movie, I can just watch it or sell it or whatever, it was a creation of my AI, which learned just like any human would! Of course I didn’t even pay for the original copy to train my AI, it’s for learning purposes, and learning should be a basic human right!

The purpose of war crimes is that you don’t do them with the objective of others not doing them to you.

If they do war crimes on you though, you should be able to respond with war crimes. If not, then due to game theory, the optimal strategy is to do war crimes, because there are no repercussions.

To be fair, mechanic items, and especially electronic ones were far more repairable back then.

You could see, desolder and solder components without issue. Nowadays most of the electronics are inside chips, and only the components that need to be physically big (like those responsible for the power supply) are human sized. Sure, there are some small SMD that can be manually diagnosed and replaced, but even then you often need a lot of skill and equipment.

This is the talk that convinced me that C is the only language more cult-like than rust.