This is why you should not install any of the vibe coded apps that get advertised in here regularly. You’re just creating a liability for yourself.
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Just don’t install anything new after 2022. Easy way to get actual code audited by human beings.
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Same is true about non-slop projects
As always the social infrastructure (community, user base) is much more important for the success and use value of a piece of software than the exact technology used to make it (lang, framework, helper tools).
It’s late and so maybe I missed it, but I didn’t see the part of the article that compares the abandon rate of slopcode with the overall abandon rate. Not saying that the premise is wrong or anything, but you can’t tell how bad something is unless you can compare it with the norm.
I would guess that the key difference is that vibe coded apps can get to a more or less working state a lot quicker, while other apps are likely to be abandoned before it’s done.
Though in either case I’d always be careful with new projects. If it’s just a single guy that’s been working on something for less than a year and only have a handful of GitHub stars, I probably wouldn’t install it.
Also it’s again the false sense of security pf “if you don’t use vibed apps you’ll be fine”, making people forget basic security procedures.
I, for instance, had a service vulnerable and discontinued without noticing for months. It was something 100% made before LLM was a thing. Still had unpatched vulnerabilities and the project was abandoned. It was my fault for not checking more often is the services I host are safe or not.
I’m generally anti-ai but this is kind of exactly what vibe coding is for.
Someone has a problem right now and there is no tool to fix their problem how they want it fixed, so they throw some shit together for personal use and maybe someone else can use it if they want idgaf.
Why would they maintain that? It does what they need it to, when they need it. Usually these tools are very basic.I don’t disagree necessarily, but they shouldn’t be uploading / sharing one-off projects they don’t intent to maintain.
I don’t really agree. If you have a tool to do a thing, share it in case someone else could benefit, just be open about what it is.
That is a bit of an open source philosophy difference.
Is it better that everyone has open source everything so that anyone who finds the one-off useful can benefit from it?
Or is the software actually not provided “as-is” like the license states and on releasing open source software the community deserves regular updates?
I think that second option is a very entitled path. We are not entitled to the continued used free labor of a random person on the internet.
Yes, but there’s a difference between having your source and binaries available on github and submitting to an app store like flathub.
Usually these tools are very basic.
If you read this community in the last weeks you’d know that slopcoders don’t stop at basic projects.
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I’m in the “Fuck AI” crowd even though I currently heavily use LLMs, specifically for the reason that slopcoders, techbros and memelords destroy the planet.
I’m in the same boat as those people and that’s specifically why I hate it.
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A solid 40% of projects get abandoned, that its about double for purely vibecoded is unsurprising. Purely generated is completely unmaintainable. At least they realized it within 6 months I suppose.
So what? The important datapoint is the number of new successful projects, not the number of the abandoned ones.
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My coworker said it best: “Anyone can build an app now, but nobody wants to maintain one.”
Some people want to be programmers. We enjoy the process.
These people just want attention. Or have been conned into the idea that with AI everything is easy.
For me, it’s been super helpful to write personalized things quickly that I wouldn’t have been able to do otherwise. Are these things I plan on maintaining for decades? Hell no. But there is no current solution, this isn’t a commercial product, and I always have the code in case I want to make adjustments in the future.
It’s more like they want a portfolio to sell at an interview, and since entry-level hires are getting pinched by AI, they’re screwed either way
these are people who “have an idea for an app” that pester devs to build their dumbass ideas.
I would say that the free tiers of those coding tools got cut back so much, that some of those slop coded stuff wouldn’t keep doing it any more.
Claude is on a 5 hr timer, and you get very few responses. Qeen Code was free for a second, that was nice.
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Locally run models are available for free. My laptop can run a tiny model 1.8b, so it’s useless, and the family gaming pc could use some smaller side medium ones like 8-10b ones.
Right now the bubble is still insane, but I believe the it population will able to afford better chips in couple of years.deleted by creator
2030 is only a couple years away ;).
IMHO, $4-5k for a computer that can code as much you want is a bargain. If you have a product that will sell.
Conspiracy is right, the bubble is real and they will keep it pumping til it burst. Llms are not the second coming. They are great tools, but they are not solution for everything.
This economical milestone will be really “interesting” in the next 10 years. Interesting as the Chinese curse for wishing you interesting life.deleted by creator
I expect this gap will be filled by cheaper models like GLM as they catch up to frontier models in their capabilities.
I believe they will catch up in no time.
But not every one will be able to pay anything for them.
I’m not paying because it is a hobby project (a huge one) and it is totally free with optional donations. That’s not much ROI.
All things must pass. All things must pass away. ~ George Harrison
I look back over the years when I first discovered there was a thing labeled a computer as a yongster. I remember the curmudgeons, scoffers, and nay sayers talking about how this ‘fad’ called ‘the computer’ and subsequently ‘the internet’ was all just a waste of time, and that all of us nerds and geeks would soon see the stark error of our ways. I even had an employer tell me, ‘Buy something off the internet? <scoff> No one will ever buy anything off the internet!’ and then he launched into a ‘Why, back in my day we …yadda yadda yadda’ diatribe.
I look back and wonder how far along we’d be in solar power infrastructures had a lowly peanut farmer not been religiously and hatefully ridiculed for installing solar panels in the White House. Sure, they were inefficient but it was the concept, the idea, that yes this can work with some further tooling and technology. I look back even further in history and pick out Fulton’s Folly and how he was lambasted for his stupidity, thinking he could put a steam engine on a boat and make it a viable form of transportation. It became a huge boon to commerce and travel up and down the Mississippi, and subsequently spread to other areas. I think about our early steps into space travel and how there were massive amounts of vocal opponents to this waste of energy and tax dollars. Yet, even to this day, we still reap the rewards of that technology in our every day lives. So much so, that we never stop to think about it.
I’m not here to say that AI in any of it’s many forms is the golden goose or the egg. It is fraught with problems, some of which are glaring, and it needs some heavy governmental regulation. I, like many others, have concerns about AI coded projects and the safety and security thereof. However, this knee jerk reaction to anything AI reminds me of so much of history, in that, the once disdained has now become so common place, as to be taken for granted.
“IA” have very few applications besides faking things. It fakes someone having read that mail, it fakes having wrote that mail, it fakes art, it fakes “helping you”, it instead do fake job for you.
It’s the “IA” spite can look too spiteful, but there’s a key difference I think between “IA” and actually useful technologies: A computer helps you do things, not only work, better and faster, “IA” do it for you. You don’t “learn” to use an “IA”, you do have to learn to use internet and a computer.
“IA” is less akin to something like a computer and more like NFT, Radium Watches, etc. “Innovation” for the sake of selling instead of progress. Has is uses? Of course, but it create far more problems that it tries or even cares to solve and it’s inclusion on everything just for the sake of selling just screams like plastic, radium, Teflon, lead on gasoline, etc. The promised miraculous new invention. Sooner or later we are going to pay for it. Again. All of us.
Since we are in a technology forum, a few quotes:
“Frontier AI models have given defenders the ability to find and fix vulnerabilities in open source software at a speed and scale that were never possible before. That’s an enormous opportunity for defenders, and Akrites ensures we seize it together. Maintainers deserve a coordinated partnership, not a flood of reports. AWS is committed to securing the projects our customers depend on and building this shared infrastructure alongside the community.”
– Matt Wilson, Vice President and Distinguished Engineer, Amazon Web Services
“Open source projects collectively underpin much of the internet, and the existing model for coordinated disclosure has been outpaced by how quickly AI can now find vulnerabilities. Getting ahead of that requires the industry to coordinate on findings and get fixes upstream before they’re disclosed and exploited. Efforts like Akrites drive this level of coordination at the scale and speed this moment requires.”
– Jason Clinton, Deputy Chief Information Security Officer, Anthropic
“The software supply chain is only as strong as the upstream it draws from, and we see how thin that layer really is. As AI finds more vulnerabilities, the industry will rush to patch them. Without coordination, those fixes will fragment across different patches and forks, and maintainers who are already overwhelmed, unreachable, or haven’t touched a project in years. Akrites gives the industry one coordinated way to fix vulnerabilities upstream before they’re exploited, with maintainers still in control. Now the work is making sure there’s always someone on the other end to catch them.”
Sooner or later we are going to pay for it. Again. All of us.
Yes, we will pay for crawling out from the primordial ooze billions of years ago. Everything is finite.
“IA is very good”
- IA Corporation
I don’t know chief. I get your point, but quoting the people who benefits the most out of it seems like a conflict of interest.
DuPont said Sprays weren’t that bad for the planet, backed it up with a DuPont financed “research” and used DuPont financed media.
So, here is another quote:
Dario Amodei — quote on opacity: “People outside the field are often surprised and alarmed to learn that we do not understand how our own AI creations work. They are right to be concerned: this lack of understanding is essentially unprecedented in the history of technology.”
I think is very different paying for building a society more complex than what we can understand and 10 million deaths by lead poisoning because some rich family preferred even more money over the life of everyone else. But you do you. The way you think “we will pay wether we like or not so we better make it count and take the biggest debt we can” is what have the world rotten as a whole.
The way you think “we will pay wether we like or not so we better make it count and take the biggest debt we can”
There was a tinge of snark in my comment. Sorry it didn’t follow through. In the end, we are but a minute speck, but our over exaggerated sense of self importance hinders us.
Despite all our rage, we’re still just rats in a cage.
Really, after all this years of computer technology and the internet, what good came out of it? That it can outweigh the bad.
People are dumber and misinformed. Social media is a cesspit of fakeness and product advertisements. Software improves profitability and takes away jobs. Unparalleled potential for mass surveillance.
I often wonder this. I love computers and the internet but when it comes to quality of life I don’t see much imporvement over when I was young and the world was still analog. I mean I would not want to live in a time before electricity and definately before plumbing and sewer. a nice metro line is great and well as geared bicycles. libraries to. can’t really say much from the computer age really is all that great.
Computers have been a mixed bag
Entertainment is better.
Education is far better. (you can learn about anything you want right now for free)
Racism was on a slow decline. (communication, education)The economy is far worse The job situation is worse.
I’d say cars are better, being more efficient, but the SUV loophole fucked that.Yeah I can’t even say that. There is more entertainment and its a lot more accessible. Better special effects are great but that is so low on quality of life things I don’t care to lose it. Education is kinda the same. Not really better but more access to information but less information is high quality as a percentage of what you have access to. Honestly cars themselves are another problematic technology to begin with.
Exactly most people are happy because of netflix and I just was never even tempted to sign up for it. But hey im the weird one wcyd.
Open access to information is one thing I love about the internet, I can find information (of varying quality) about anything I’m interested in without having to look through a library or get a massive encyclopedia
Trying to remember how the world was before computers and the internet. It was really hard to look up information yet that you didn’t have in your own home. You had to hop on the bus and go to the library searching through several books. That’s one Google search today. You hadn’t had the access to music, films, and so on. You can listen to nearly every modern song on Spotify versus those few CDs you had on your home or the songs that were playing on the radio. If you want to watch a movie you can do that. You do not have to wait until it’s showing on TV with at breaks or go to some kind of rental store. You want to go somewhere, just fire up Google Maps, versus buy and paper map, figure out where you are, and still get lost. Global communication is free. Just remember how expensive long distant calls were and how you lost contact to people who moved away.
The internet and computers really have made everything easier.
No absolutely not everything is on spotify. And Google is not a search engine anyway. We gave them the privilege of their brand becoming a verb and now they’re a corporate surveillance monopoly. We absolutely botched it here. Same with facebook.
We can search to get a quick superficial view written by whoever and now AI vs reading through a book to get a comprehensive view by someone who studied and has a reputation to defend. One doesn’t substitute the other. The internet merely allowed for the lazy masses to pretend they could get away with not reading, which worked just as well because their boss needs his productivity/wages ratio in check.
You are so wrong, I really do not know how to respond to that. Yes, not every song is on Spotify, but you are able to listen to millions of songs there. That is more than your local record shop was able to stock
And yet id rather listen to the same ten records over and over again in my grandparents big old house than listen to anything at home in my tiny cramped apartment.
I’m wrong because you say so. Lazy.
I can think of hundreds of innovations and good. Take just the medical field. Huge advances in attending the sick, the diseased. Yes, all technology wields a double edged sword. When the first Ford rolled off the assembly line it was a huge boon to travel, tourism, commerce. What were the downsides? Well, it’s noisy, pollutive, the processes to extract it’s fuel is very volatile. Yet, you get in your car and go to the grocery store, work, or even vacation without thinking about such things for the most part. The efficiency, the decrease in pollution, emissions, etc. are somewhat a thing off the past. Yes, there are massive improvements we can make, especially in renewable resources and electric vehicles.
Those who pine for ‘the good ol’ days’, usually do so with thick rose colored glasses.
Yes Ford. That guy was pretty sweet. When the assembly line was first implemented by him. An innovation that eventually lead to unchecked industrial growth and waste production, greed intensified.
On a surface level. Yes there were many good innovations, or rather many good business opportunities. On one hand the health care is better, on the other hand no effort seems to have been made to prevent people from becoming sick in the first place. It’s a catch I guess.
Anyway those innovations will become annulled when no one will be able to afford it.
Ford didn’t create greed. Computers and the internet didn’t create hucksters, neither did it create gullible people blown around by the wind without a compass or direction. Fools and their money have been parted for millennia.
no effort seems to have been made to prevent people from becoming sick in the first place
I would somewhat disagree with you in that no effort has been made to keep people from being sick. That’s a pretty bold statement. However, a large portion of the medical industry (which, yes is subject to greed) is not really about the curative and more about the maintenance. You can lead a horse to water, but you can’t make it drink. You can instruct people on healthy living which will extend their life and the quality thereof, but you cannot force them to do so. That is, and has been a huge issue. People line up at the hospital in large instances because they did not even attempt to lead a healthy lifestyle. They are an encumbrance in a way, because those who do live healthy lifestyles are penalized for those who don’t.
Without being overly dramatic, I can confidently say, that if it weren’t for medical advances, I would probably not be typing these words. I did everything I could to live a healthy lifestyle, but suffered a TBI in a fall from 2 stories up. I have a medical polymer implant in my right frontal lobe due to cranial damage. They scanned the hole in my skull, and 3D printed a replacement. Jack’s a doughnut, Bob’s your uncle. I’m 71 now. That’s pretty damn awesome in my book.
I would somewhat disagree with you in that no effort has been made to keep people from being sick. That’s a pretty bold statement.
It’s high time for “bold statements”. I’ve been in both left and right, and they’re the same or atleast I know none of them supports me. This system fosters nothing more than inequality. Failure to regulate unhealthy but profitable materials and ingredients and addiction tactics away. That’s the shit the poor - soon all of us - are able to buy. There’s 20 chemicals in a simple product (they don’t even call it food), sold with a plastic wrap that is gonna go around the world and come back inside our brains. That’s why, just one example.
All this to say if there are advancements using computer technology on this, they’re nowhere to be seen making a difference. So what’s the point…
You can instruct people on healthy living which will extend their life and the quality thereof, but you cannot force them to do so.
As I keep saying poverty is correlated with sickness. Poverty of mind too. The internet didn’t solve this, far from it.
Oh and the number these data centers are going to do to the environment? Why do we need thousands of them? If we look at who’s moving around and what kind of laws world governments are enacting… it’s not gonna be good in a thousand years…
if it weren’t for medical advances, I would probably not be typing these words
I’m happy it worked out for you.
The internet didn’t solve this, far from it.
The internet didn’t cause it either. Poverty and poverty of the mind has existed for millennia. It is sad to me that we do not help those in need more than we do. I feel we have a moral obligation to help our fellow man when he is in need, no matter who they are or how they came to be in need.
it’s not gonna be good in a thousand years…
I truly believe that given enough time an technology, man can achieve pretty nigh anything. We’ve witnessed this since the dawn of time. It will take a global effort tho, because we are all inexorably tied together on this planet. No man, no country is an island. An example of this was when we banned the use of Chlorofluorocarbons because we were eating a hole in our ozone and ionosphere. That was a global effort, and it worked. We just need to move past our short shortsightedness and greed. That’s always been the stumbling block.
I don’t have all the answers my friend. I do have a lot of unanswered questions. It’s just one old man’s opinion who’s seen a lot of shit and lived a full and rather colorful life. One opinion in a vast ocean of opinions.
Computers make money. Apple, Google, Microsoft, etc all proved that. They can sell you products that people felt like did things for them. It didn’t make infinite money.
How much money does ChatGPT make? How much money does Grok make? How much money does Copilot make? How much money does Claude make? LLMs and generative AI don’t make money. If they did, AI CEOs would be boasting about the massive profits coming in from AI.
LLMs and generative AI don’t make money.
I would agree with you. At this juncture AI a loss leader, much like putting a man on the moon was a loss leader. How’s that technology benefiting you now? Significantly. I’m in no way glossing over the issues with AI. It has real world problems, and needs intervention, serious intervention.
AI was already doing good before ChatGPT and LLMs like folding proteins which shaped human history. I am really drilling down on LLMs and the sell to CEOs that generative AI can replace employees or that it is worth transforming the economy over. It’s not. Computers had a dotcom bubble which made computers useful by creating the infrastructure for engineers to be produced by universities and companies to use the networking tech. Its not like video games were keeping computers alive. See: Nvidia before bitcoin and ai made them the most valuable company ever
LLMs wont be making anyones lives better any time soon. AI already did things for humanity before them. Computer neural networks existed before AI. It was called machine learning. Member the ML days before tech bros called it AI? I do.
AI was already doing good before ChatGPT and LLMs like folding proteins which shaped human history.
Absolutely. AI is not really a new phenom. ChatGPT and LLMS are.
Member the ML days before tech bros called it AI?
I certainly do too.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I’ve seen in this thread:
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Vaporware is never not a thing.
I thought vaporware was announced or promised code that never materializes, or shows up much later than claimed. Often used by big companies to squash competition, who typically have very real solutions available.
That’s one example, yes. My point is we like to invent new ways to call out the same shit. Vibe coded projects that get abandoned within half a year are just another example of vaporware, just a new take on the concept.
