google search results are still kind of useful especially for non-english language queries, anyone knows a good alternative?
searxng also doesn’t really seem to work these days…
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I’ve been using startpage.com since I’ve went back to Ubuntu. Came as the stock search engine with Vivaldi and I like how it looks and feels so I use it. I switch off between Google and startpage.
I’d been a Vivaldi user for a while too but the latest version killed Ublock Origin, so sad to say the browser is now dead to me.
I never even knew about Ublock until now. That’s fucked they wouldn’t add support for Vivaldi. It’s so versatile!!!
It’s more complicated than that. I’ll spare you, but I recommend the forks of Firefox like Librewolf, Floorp, etc.
Librewolf
Well shit. If they got a browser I gotta use it.
That’s unfortunate, but not surprising. Luckily, the world works without google.
Get SearxNG and you’ll never need another search engine.
bruh i literally mentioned in the post that SearXNG isn’t working properly
Damn I must’ve overread that. But how isn’t it working? I have a private instance and it has been working without problems apart from connecting to brave, which is rate limiting me immediately. And there’s so many sites to choose as potential providers, losing a few to rate limits honestly doesn’t seem like a big deal.
isn’t ddg basically google?
ddg gets results from bing, startpage is the one that gets results from google
yeah its hard to keep track who the sugar daddies are with some of these things.
They should use Fable to find hacks that work
- Yacy
- SearxNG
- Degoog!
Are about the only selfhosted ones I know of. I run SearxNG and have a good deal of success with it. It does bork image searches sometimes and tosses in these lithograph artworks, which are quite interesting to me, but don’t help in the search itself. In as much as it will draw the ire of some, AI makes a pretty good search engine if you are searching for really specific things like:
List all Blues artists that were active in 1942 in Memphis. Give resource links.It just makes that shit up. I’ve wasted so much time with trying to not give me fake answers and verifying the answers it gives me.
literally 5 posts down from this one there is someone who’s spent 2 years making their own search engine because Google is shit lmao
Nice! 😊
yet another google “proxy” : https://www.lukol.com/
not a proxy, it directly uses google cse on client side so it’s no better than directly using google
Kagi.
Searxng too much effort.
KagI is pretty good in various languages.
Kagi is still $10+tax a month. That’s $120 a year (plus tax).
SearXNG is $0 and a few minutes of my time whenever I tweak the configuration.
If you’re there with Searx then it’s pretty similar to how Kagi works. Kagi sends requests to various search providers and has some of its own index then shows results based on the various sources.
I found Searx/Searxng slow, 5-6 seconds per query (to get a response from each source), though it seems others have it working faster. Might have been some IP or rate limiting issue.
Kagi has easy ways to raise/lower rankings and users can report AI slop pages to have them removed, but all in all Searx gives pretty good results.
You can tune SearXNG results in a similar way. There’s just no easy UI for it.
And yes, it’s often slower than commercially available search engines - but it’s completely free, without trackers, and it’s combining results from various different engines. I can live with that.
Yip. It might not have been clear but my point was that if you have a SearXNG instance set up and running well, then Kagi may well not be worth the cost since you’ve already got most of its strengths.
just don’t “google it”.
Ahh, use an LLM instead, got it, thanks!
/s
@hexagonwin, yeah—the non-English query thing is the real pain point with most replacements. I’ve been testing a few setups lately, and honestly, combining SearXNG with Brave Search’s API (or just using Brave directly for queries) gets you back some of that multilingual depth that Whoogle had. The indexing lag is real though. We actually built a small comparison of search APIs for devs who need reliable multilingual results—more context at https://cxgo.ai/l/mN06BJw if you’re already evaluating alternatives.
fuck off clanker
Just report please. There is an influx of spam from lemmy.1095.me, which I’ve already shared to the lemmy.world team.
Those “AI detection” websites are kinda useless tbh
You can notice that it was AI slop by the fact that they use em-dashes almost randomly
multilingual results—more context
Here, there should’ve been a comma, not an em-dash
And the comment overall is very linear, humans won’t write something so linear
A human would have rambled a bit, added unnecessary details, and so on;AIs are also very good at no repeating the same words, in a human-written text (on the internet), you’ll almost always find repetitions or something that doesn’t sound quite right
looks neat, will look into it. tysm!
I love degoog.
The modern internet is getting filthier by the day. Gone are the days where independent software used to be a thing I suppose.
Hear me out. From day one we all needed to collectively reject any effort to make any profit online. I don’t care if you built something cool, sold furry art or create some neat SAAS. Day one everything should have been stolen and replicated. Everyone should have been terrified of putting anything online out of fear that the monetary value would go to 0 as it was digitally recreated. We wouldn’t be in this situation today with Trump if we stood our ground. We’d have flying cars and world peace
From day one we all needed to collectively reject any effort to make any profit online.
WUT? Why?
We wouldn’t be in this situation today with Trump
Trump was inevitable and is a product of silly, gullible Americans blown about by political winds without a compass or direction. Americans don’t vote with the long term in mind. For the most part, their future lies within 4 year increments, never really grasping the fact that legislation passed today will be with us for generations if not longer. All you have to do is look at Cannabis laws in this country perpetuated by rich, white, racist, capitalist from 100 years ago.
We’d have flying cars and world peace
As someone who has been promised flying cars for 71 years, I don’t think I want the average motorist flying about all willy nilly. We can’t even handle the tarmac ffs…and you want flying cars? World peace? The world doesn’t want peace. There is too much to be had in conflict.
Biden had handlers, who probably were more in the Gen X - Millennial range and they were making the policies that were benefitting the younger generations.
Trump is a narcissistic individual. He’s part of the silent generation, everything he’s done is to only better the people he sees as younger than his generation which is boomers. It’s how its always worked it’s like tv and the last generation always creating media for the current one.
That’s why I say we need a Gen X in office but they’re too petty for politics, that’s why we’re stuck with the old farts in office because young people aren’t interested into getting into office.
It’s like Japan and it’s aging population, who’s gonna take over when the old people are gone?
Japan is creating robots for the population replacement due to birth rates plummeting. So who’s gonna run the US government when the old people are gone? Robots or the next generation?
Biden…the man who contributed a ton of content to the Patriot Act. The man who said: ‘If Israel didn’t exist, we’d have to invent it.’ What’s he saying? He’s saying that Israel, along with other entities world wide, serve America’s own selfish self interests. I wouldn’t be holding him up as some level of superiority.
That’s why I say we need a Gen X in office
I’ve long said we need a age cap. Get some new blood in there. They sure as shit can’t screw it up more than it is. But we’ve turned voting for the president of the United states into a World Wide Wrestling Federation event replete with all the glitz, glamor, and all the fakery you can stomach.
birth rates plummeting.
There’s a reason replacement babies are scarce, and it’s something I wrestled with as a young man back in the 60s. I looked around and thought, there’s no way I’m going to bring another life into this mess. So I opted out.
. I wouldn’t be holding him up as some level of superiority.
I said his handlers.
I’ve long said we need a age cap. Get some new blood in there. They sure as shit can’t screw it up more than it is.
Exactly. We can’t have people over the age of 70 but under the age of 40 running this country. That’s just how it should be.
There’s a reason replacement babies are scarce, and it’s something I wrestled with as a young man back in the 60s. I looked around and thought, there’s no way I’m going to bring another life into this mess. So I opted out.
Ever raise cats? They’re work!!!
WUT? Why?
Monetization is the root of a majority of our issues. Without monetizing you don’t get data scarcity, profile tracking, Meta, Cambridge analyticals and eventually data that feeds into the current political systems. There is a direct arrow to our current problems that goes from early days of the internet up through the monetization into data scarcity, data collection and all the marketing tools that eventually feed into modern propaganda. Safe guarding against scarcity by creating a hostile internet and culture to monetization would have prevented all of this going on currently. We can’t ever go back to that. We only ever had one chance. New frontiers do not show up every century. Our job was to keep the people who ruined everything else away.
Safe guarding against scarcity by creating a hostile internet and culture to monetization would have prevented all of this going on currently.
That die was cast long before the internet.
But it could have been different. I just think we were responsible for the culture. This stuff was inevitable. But we had the ability to shape the culture and instead they dangled a trinket in front of us and we forgot and they captured the new frontier like they did with others.
But now maybe if we can reflect, find out what was done, create awareness and vigilance to fight them in the next frontier whenever that is
But it could have been different
It should have been different, but we are shortsighted, greedy, with an overly inflated sense of self importance, and enamored with the shiny. It may sound defeatist, but I gave up trying to save the world back in the 60s when I came to the sobering yet liberating realization that 1) The world doesn’t want to be saved. 2) At best I can only try to influence a few people around me, relatively speaking, and in turn hopefully they do the same. I vote, go protest, do call and writing campaigns, but at the end of the day, I am but one man hoping that America does the right thing…which we rarely do.
I think we have way more ability to shape things then people believe. I remember at one point reddit said something like only 10% of users comment. Even less posted. Those were us. It was the nerds.
And no we weren’t short sighted because the early days of the internet everyone knew about data scarcity and how eventually the people who ruined cable and movies and every other media platform would come for the internet. There was so many people yelling that we needed to safe guard against that. But then Metallica sued Napster. Pewdiepie made millions. YouTube introduced ads. Instead of fucking them up, we all just went with it and forgot.
Oh, idk. The entire internet and supporting infrastructure pretty much runs on opensourced software. When you’re talking about a search engine tho, unless you have a data center, a huge pile of cash, and a willingness to part with most of it, search engines are expensive to run.
We’re going to have a lot of data centres sitting idle when the AI bubble bursts.
I hope we will get there any time soon ! Discount HDD !
You man HDD’s returning back to their normal price instead of the hyperinflated price from data centers buying them in bulk. It wouldn’t be discounted it just wouldn’t be the hyperinflated price it is now. ☝🏻
They’ll get retooled just like all past, unsuccessful technology. However, I am curious why idle data centers would cause you heartburn. That cycle is not only relegated to realm of internet related technology. That happens throughout all levels.
A few months ago before joined lemmy I said to my friends and family, we’re going to see an open-source revolution where people are going to start going in on community based ideas. There’s nothing like it either.
Coming together to make an open source project happen is one of those things that makes my back do that happy drippy feeling because everyone gets a say and their input is heard plus a lot of people who give their input aren’t even looking for a pay, nonetheless want to be credited unless were hands-on with a project (like a coder).
Every single thing that’s open source is for the people. Everything that is closed is for the greedy ass corporations.
I run SearXNG and haven’t looked back honestly, could never get on with Whoogle’s UI
Duckduckgo is surprisingly okay, even with non-english queries by using the region selector (your experience may vary)
ddg is my primary right now, it absolutely sucks for korean queries sadly
Isn’t it just Bing with privacy? Or do they use their own tweeks or something? It’s what I use nowadays since google never finds anything i search for
DDG is an US based company. They will comply to all the patriot act bullshit and pipeline all your searches to the NSA…
If they really cared about privacy they wouldn’t be based in the US.
