The EU would like to have a talk with manufacturers about this… Much like USB C for iPhones, removable batteries are in the works again thanks to the EU.
Bear in mind the law isn’t for replaceable batteries in the way you describe, it just has to be easy enough for a person or a repair shop to do without too much risk of damage.
It’s unlikely we’ll see every phone having a back we can just pop off and pull the battery out.
Even then, there are exceptions. If the phone still retains 84% of battery capacity by year 3, and I think 80% by year 4, it doesn’t have to be user-servicable.
These changes tend to be global because it’s cheaper to make the change for everyone than have two different designs and manufacturing (one for EU and other for the rest of the world). And more often than not EU is too big of a market to ignore.
Maintaining multiple SKUs with major differences is quite expensive and time consuming, plus confusing for the customer on a global Internet trying to look things up. I expect that this would make at least some manufacturers ship these to other countries, so we would have some options.
These changes tend to be global because it’s cheaper to make the change for everyone than have two different designs and manufacturing (one for EU and other for the rest of the world). And more often than not EU is too big of a market to ignore.
Oh? Got a source on this?
Its the first time im hearing about this.
Edit : did some digging and ye, most of the world doesnt get the snapdragons. From what i read the performance, battery life etc are all over the place compared to the same phones with snapdragons. Also, samsung is not allowed to sell their own socs in places where they sell the snapdragon versions?
This is some weird ass shit and i assume it has to do with profit or something.
Obviously a global change would be better, and hopefully that’s what happens but at the very least those of us that live in places with worse consumer protection have that opinion.
Edit: In thinking a minute about it, I’m thinking that this probably won’t be necessary. I haven’t looked but I imagine there are still androids with removable batteries on offer, and it’s safe to assume there will be more after this, even if it’s not all. Though I guess if you want a very specific phone with a removable battery, that’s an option.
You have to wedge something under it and separate the glue to get it out safely. I did it once to replace a battery, the old one still bent a bit but it did not catch fire.
You got lucky. A fire might not be likely with a little bending but it’s definitely a possibility. A battery that’s fully glued down is just inherently dangerous to remove.
Jokes aside, this is indeed a huge problem and do hope that eu law gets passed. Its perfectly possible to have a replacable battery and keep a good ip rating…
Other countries will follow EU’s example. OEMs will not have non-removable batteries anymore. Apple should immediately comply. Fairphone is indeed an example of sustainability.
Yeah but that seems like a pain, of course I had a cell back to analog days and am probably is. Used to sell so many batteries for cells in my Radio Shack days, and many were people wanting a second one for a backup when they were in the bush. Even remember $80 for a lithium startac battery heh, like 20ish years ago.
True, they should have better campaigns to showcase those repairs, also manufacture support for it. Unless they do and I missed it, which is very possible. Just seems they don’t want you to change batteries since they make it a hassle.
Some phones, like mine, do have removable batteries. The point of Android is that devices should be varied in design and features rather than interchangeable black mirrors and I think it’s good that Android is still adding features that help facilitate that.
It wouldn’t be any different as how iOS has been doing it since a long ago, it shows the battery in maintenance mode and they even say to go to an authorized place to do it lol.
I want all that BS to end already, managing battery life has been more stressful to me that I’d want to admit (yeah, quick charge ain’t the solution).
Quick charge actually damages the battery over time lol.
Tbh, if the battery was replacable and you could just buy and replace one, would it still be stressful to get that message?
Quick charge actually damages the battery over time lol.
Exactly, but many people couldn’t give a shit about the battery health if you can charge the device in 20 mins and last the whole day… I mean yeah, technically, but that will cost you in a not too distant future…
Tbh, if the battery was replacable and you could just buy and replace one, would it still be stressful to get that message?
I’d say no, it would be awesome as I generally take good care of my devices always and the battery is always the first sign of needing a change for me, now that I have an Android phone and know about custom ROMs the sky would be the limit lol.
That would be great if we weren’t past the point of phones having unremovable batteries… Too little too fucking late as always, Google.
The EU would like to have a talk with manufacturers about this… Much like USB C for iPhones, removable batteries are in the works again thanks to the EU.
Bear in mind the law isn’t for replaceable batteries in the way you describe, it just has to be easy enough for a person or a repair shop to do without too much risk of damage.
It’s unlikely we’ll see every phone having a back we can just pop off and pull the battery out.
Even then, there are exceptions. If the phone still retains 84% of battery capacity by year 3, and I think 80% by year 4, it doesn’t have to be user-servicable.
I hope these changes affect the global supply chain, but I’m very skeptical that it’s going to have any repercussions outside of the EU.
These changes tend to be global because it’s cheaper to make the change for everyone than have two different designs and manufacturing (one for EU and other for the rest of the world). And more often than not EU is too big of a market to ignore.
Maintaining multiple SKUs with major differences is quite expensive and time consuming, plus confusing for the customer on a global Internet trying to look things up. I expect that this would make at least some manufacturers ship these to other countries, so we would have some options.
These changes tend to be global because it’s cheaper to make the change for everyone than have two different designs and manufacturing (one for EU and other for the rest of the world). And more often than not EU is too big of a market to ignore.
Well, Samsung is selling phones with shit CPUs to Europe and good ones to USA.
Oh? Got a source on this?
Its the first time im hearing about this.
Edit : did some digging and ye, most of the world doesnt get the snapdragons. From what i read the performance, battery life etc are all over the place compared to the same phones with snapdragons. Also, samsung is not allowed to sell their own socs in places where they sell the snapdragon versions?
This is some weird ass shit and i assume it has to do with profit or something.
Don’t worry, you can essentially get the same shit CPU in the US by buying a Pixel.
I will import EU phones if it doesn’t.
Obviously a global change would be better, and hopefully that’s what happens but at the very least those of us that live in places with worse consumer protection have that opinion.
Edit: In thinking a minute about it, I’m thinking that this probably won’t be necessary. I haven’t looked but I imagine there are still androids with removable batteries on offer, and it’s safe to assume there will be more after this, even if it’s not all. Though I guess if you want a very specific phone with a removable battery, that’s an option.
All battery’s can be removed if you try hard enough
Last time I tried to remove one it caught fire. So much glue…
Did you try removing it by stabbing it?
Knife goes in, battery comes out
Nah tried to pry it upwards on one side.
You have to wedge something under it and separate the glue to get it out safely. I did it once to replace a battery, the old one still bent a bit but it did not catch fire.
You got lucky. A fire might not be likely with a little bending but it’s definitely a possibility. A battery that’s fully glued down is just inherently dangerous to remove.
Yeah I agree it really is. I was sweatin the whole time
looks at fairphone
shrugs :p
Jokes aside, this is indeed a huge problem and do hope that eu law gets passed. Its perfectly possible to have a replacable battery and keep a good ip rating…
Other countries will follow EU’s example. OEMs will not have non-removable batteries anymore. Apple should immediately comply. Fairphone is indeed an example of sustainability.
All batteries are replaceable. Some take a bit more effort and some specialized equipment, though.
Yeah but that seems like a pain, of course I had a cell back to analog days and am probably is. Used to sell so many batteries for cells in my Radio Shack days, and many were people wanting a second one for a backup when they were in the bush. Even remember $80 for a lithium startac battery heh, like 20ish years ago.
A lot of “replaceable” things are still considered so even if you can’t just pop it out and stick a new one in yourself with zero effort.
True, they should have better campaigns to showcase those repairs, also manufacture support for it. Unless they do and I missed it, which is very possible. Just seems they don’t want you to change batteries since they make it a hassle.
Some phones, like mine, do have removable batteries. The point of Android is that devices should be varied in design and features rather than interchangeable black mirrors and I think it’s good that Android is still adding features that help facilitate that.
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It wouldn’t be any different as how iOS has been doing it since a long ago, it shows the battery in maintenance mode and they even say to go to an authorized place to do it lol.
I want all that BS to end already, managing battery life has been more stressful to me that I’d want to admit (yeah, quick charge ain’t the solution).
Quick charge actually damages the battery over time lol. Tbh, if the battery was replacable and you could just buy and replace one, would it still be stressful to get that message?
Exactly, but many people couldn’t give a shit about the battery health if you can charge the device in 20 mins and last the whole day… I mean yeah, technically, but that will cost you in a not too distant future…
I’d say no, it would be awesome as I generally take good care of my devices always and the battery is always the first sign of needing a change for me, now that I have an Android phone and know about custom ROMs the sky would be the limit lol.