Here you can see 2 day old post warning about the danger of not using email/captcha verification: https://lemmy.ml/post/1345031

And here are stats of lemmy platform where it shows that we gained 200 000 lemmy users in 2 days: https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats

Another tracking site with the same explosion in users: https://the-federation.info/platform/73

What do you think? Is it some sort of a bug or do people run bot farms?

Edit2: It’s been now 3 days and we went from 150 000 user accounts 3 days ago to 700 000 user accounts today making it 550 000+ bot accounts and counting. Almost 80% accounts on lemmy are now bots and it may end up being an very serious issue for lemmy platform once they become active.

Edit3: It’s now 4th day of the attack and the amount of accounts on lemmy has almost reached 1 200 000. Almost 90% of total userbase are now bots.

Edit 3.1: my numbers are outdated, there are currently 1 700 000 accounts which makes it even worse: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy

  • OpenStars@kbin.social
    22·
    1 year ago

    Test: if it says “hey guys, remember how great Reddit was, we should totally go back!?” - then it’s a bot:-P.

      • musicalcactus@midwest.social
        4·
        1 year ago

        That’s my theory too. He’s acting like a cornered animal and needs to drive traffic back to reddit. What better way to do that than to break the website power users have been migrating to and advertising on Reddit?

        Then June 30 the straggling migrants still holding out til the end will come over to a broken website.

        I think spez hopes that their broken spirit and desperation will help drive people back to reddit, but a bot influx this huge, he must be legitimately worried.

        It could also be spez bootlickers, but I would be shocked if someone who had the same knowhow to build a bot army was simultaneously stupid enough to not see the bigger picture happening at corporate.

    • ZcaT@lemmy.world
      31·
      1 year ago

      hey guys, remember how great Reddit was, we should totally go back!?

  • Flicsmo@rammy.siteEnglish
    21·
    1 year ago

    That’s worrying. Though at least it seems they’re mostly confined to a few particular instances. Defederating is a great tool that will definitely mitigate the worst of it, but at the same time this is uncharted water - there’s no real way of knowing what exactly will happen in a large scale attack.

    Just creating accounts isn’t an attack, but it’s going to suck when there actually is one. I wonder if they’ll try to be subtle and use AI or recycled content, or if they’ll just use the accounts for spam or DDoS?

    • Mechanize@feddit.itEnglish
      241·
      1 year ago

      Probably they are getting ready for some vote manipulation and astroturfing for the long run.
      You know, in case Lemmy and the Fediverse really get mainstream enough to move the public opinion in some way.

      Having a thousand accounts that can upvote a seemingly innocent post made by an active and “real” account is always useful.

      • Flicsmo@rammy.siteEnglish
        13·
        1 year ago

        Yeah good point. I think these particular bot instances are being way too obvious to do any major damage - not when it’s as simple as it is to defederate them - but what’ll happen when it’s not 100k bots on one instance, but 1000 instances with 100 bots apiece?

        Let’s hope Lemmy gets the tools needed to deal with this. I wonder how Mastodon does it? They’ve been around a while, I’m sure they’ve had similar issues.

      • socsa@lemmy.ml
        3·
        1 year ago

        These things are always going to be an issue on Lemmy though. Alt detection will basically be impossible.

    • Martineski@lemmy.fmhy.mlOPEnglish
      261·
      1 year ago

      When reddit migration begun we saw a huge bump in users and it was steadly stabilising and less users were joing, then this huge bump happened. You can go browse lemmy instances and see how many instances are ghost instances with 0 posts and comments that have tens of thousands of users.

      • HTTP_404_NotFound@lemmyonline.comEnglish
        141·
        1 year ago

        Do also note- instances with little activity aren’t that unusual though-

        My instance for example- I don’t really have any communities here, other then a few local to my server. As such, its activity… is pretty low. Everything happens elsewhere.

      • sleepyducky@lemm.eeEnglish
        6·
        1 year ago

        There a new influx in the user migration as well, as some subreddits started pinning lemmy and kbin.social instances on their subs. Also if you go on protest subreddits (such as ModCoord and Save3rdPartyApps) almost every post has a thread/comment redirecting people to the fediverse.

        • eric5949@lemmy.worldEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          I love how beehaw defederated lemmy.world because too many people signed up but a bot instance with almost 50k users is fine. Sorry if I come across as harsh but I just increasingly see that instance as a complete joke.

          • T156@lemmy.worldEnglish
            1·
            1 year ago

            In fairness, that instance probably hasn’t started interacting with their communities just yet, or else they would consider defederating. I doubt that they spend enough time to start trying to defederate from every instance over x amount of users, only the troublesome ones. They probably don’t have the manpower to scan for every instance over x amount of people, and to defederate from them, if they were already have enough trouble keeping up with sh.it.just.works and lemmy.world’s userbases.

  • Badass_panda@lemmy.worldEnglish
    161·
    1 year ago

    Where are you getting that 90% figure? I’m seeing stratospherically higher activity than I was a week ago, I’m willing to buy half to 2/3 of those accounts being a combination of alt accounts, duplicate accounts (e.g., people moving off beehaw) and bot accounts, but 90% bots sounds implausible.

    Nobody is making 1.6 million bots to target 100,000 users.

    • Martineski@lemmy.fmhy.mlOPEnglish
      22·
      1 year ago

      The platform has no measures against farming bots that’s why the number of bots is this stupid high, it’s very easy to do at the moment.

      • Badass_panda@lemmy.worldEnglish
        61·
        1 year ago

        But everyone’s evidence that it’s happening a lot is that there are lots of new users, and that it’d be easy to make it happen.

        That’s conjecture, not evidence.

  • soft_frog@kbin.social
    15·
    1 year ago

    I work in tech, this wouldn’t surprise me.

    Where there are eyeballs there is spam. People even put spam in the Google Analytics referral field and that’s only ever going to get seen by the site owner.

    It really says nothing about the health of the ecosystem, if it’s moderated and not filling the frontpage it’s only an issue for the server admins.

    I’ve fought spammers and one alone could create these numbers in a day.

  • Bilb!@lem.monsterEnglish
    141·
    1 year ago

    I’ve yet to see any of them start posting. On my instance none of them could pass email validation because the emails were fake. I imagine this is true for many instances with a ton of bot sign-ups.

    I think just reporting sign-ups as “users” is misleading. The user count on lemmy should reflect only approved/activated accounts, imo.

    Another problem is right now the only way to clean them up is to access the database directly, there are no user management tools in the application. I think that’s a skill you should have if you want to run an instance successfully, but I can imagine some may be able to follow the setup, particularly the ansible setup, but be at a loss for how to properly manage it once set up.

      • Gatsby@lemm.ee
        1·
        1 year ago

        Are you referring to a separate thread I commented on yesterday with a totally separate user where I said “Nazi punks fuck off?”

        If you took offense to that brother I’m sorry I stand by my words. Even moreso today, even.

        What I’m curious in is why you commented on an unrelated comment in a different thread, with either a secondary account or you weren’t connected to it at all?

  • onlooker@lemmy.mlEnglish
    12·
    1 year ago

    Drivel. We are normal meat units filled with flesh. Now if you will excuse me, I am off to absorb nourishment from organic matter.

  • Hawne@kbin.social
    10·
    1 year ago

    Devs will have some hard weeks (probably months) facing the new challenges that come with the exodus. Not even mentioning all the work needed to counteract eventual (probable) malevolent subterfuges such as these bot swarms.
    I’ll make sure to buy them some coffee. Jugs of.