Quite a few people here on the comments are siding with the antinatalist narrative, but I don’t think this is rational at all, in fact it’s dangerous. Sure, you can individually opt to not bring more people into the world because you believe it would bring more suffering than happiness, but if this rhetoric spreads, the logical conclusion (heavily extrapolating without considering anything else) is the end of humanity which solves nothing, and while it prevents suffering, it also prevents happiness. If done and advocated in the pretext that we are ruining the planet, that certain people shouldn’t be born, and other similar reasoning then this just reeks of ecofascism or plain fascism, and eugenics.
It’s easy for us to buy into the narrative that we are all inherently bad and that we as humans are destroying the environment and the world, but this is not true, it’s not me and you who are doing this, this is not a human trait, it’s a consequence of the system we live in that incentivizes profit above all else. Why do you think awareness, support and accommodations for us needs to be fought over? Because it’s expensive and doesn’t guarantee profit, and the same can be said about the environment and the way corporations are literally burning the planet. Profit and accumulation of capital above all else, that is the rule.
There’s only one way out of this nightmare that will give us the tools to revert the damage and actually build a society and world that will accept us, accommodate to us, liberate people and save the planet, and it’s through organizing, studying and fighting.
We are in absolutely no danger of ever going extinct. You can never get enough people to use contraceptives or practice abstinence. You can’t even get people to wear masks!
I agree, I was exaggerating for the argument because I think antinatalism as a whole is dangerous, not for the made up scenario of humanity going extinct, but for the eugenics/fascism side.
You can say that having kids is selfish, which it objectively is (no matter if they’re perfectly healthy/wealthy/on top of society or not), but also want to “build a society and world that will accept us, accommodate to us, liberate people and save the planet.”
Focusing on just kids with disabilities and not every kid is fucked though, with a lot of these people in these spaces.
You straw man the position and say following the conclusion of the straw man, humanity must end based on their logic.
Ok, what straw man? I’ve talked about it on the individual level and also in case such ideology spreads, there is literally people that advocate for the end of humanity on the antinatalist ideology, I do not follow it closely to be able to say if it is a big part of it or not, but I’ve seen it before and seen the stance getting praised and this is extremely dangerous. I’m not making this argument because of the possibility it might happen, being realistic it won’t, but because it just helps spread bullshit that blames everything on humanity itself like we are inherently bad.
How isn’t having kids selfish? You’re not having a child for this child’s sake. You’re having the child for your sake.
That makes no sense to me, deciding to birth another human being and dedicating your life to them is the opposite of selfishness. Of course not everyone is like this, and people that just makes children and doesn’t give a shit about them are selfish, but the act itself is not.
Quite a few people here on the comments are siding with the antinatalist narrative, but I don’t think this is rational at all, in fact it’s dangerous. Sure, you can individually opt to not bring more people into the world because you believe it would bring more suffering than happiness, but if this rhetoric spreads, the logical conclusion (heavily extrapolating without considering anything else) is the end of humanity which solves nothing, and while it prevents suffering, it also prevents happiness. If done and advocated in the pretext that we are ruining the planet, that certain people shouldn’t be born, and other similar reasoning then this just reeks of ecofascism or plain fascism, and eugenics.
It’s easy for us to buy into the narrative that we are all inherently bad and that we as humans are destroying the environment and the world, but this is not true, it’s not me and you who are doing this, this is not a human trait, it’s a consequence of the system we live in that incentivizes profit above all else. Why do you think awareness, support and accommodations for us needs to be fought over? Because it’s expensive and doesn’t guarantee profit, and the same can be said about the environment and the way corporations are literally burning the planet. Profit and accumulation of capital above all else, that is the rule.
There’s only one way out of this nightmare that will give us the tools to revert the damage and actually build a society and world that will accept us, accommodate to us, liberate people and save the planet, and it’s through organizing, studying and fighting.
We are in absolutely no danger of ever going extinct. You can never get enough people to use contraceptives or practice abstinence. You can’t even get people to wear masks!
I agree, I was exaggerating for the argument because I think antinatalism as a whole is dangerous, not for the made up scenario of humanity going extinct, but for the eugenics/fascism side.
This is such an incredible leap in logic.
You can say that having kids is selfish, which it objectively is (no matter if they’re perfectly healthy/wealthy/on top of society or not), but also want to “build a society and world that will accept us, accommodate to us, liberate people and save the planet.”
Focusing on just kids with disabilities and not every kid is fucked though, with a lot of these people in these spaces.
Why is it a leap in logic? And why having kids is objectively selfish? Genuinely asking.
You straw man the position and say following the conclusion of the straw man, humanity must end based on their logic.
How isn’t having kids selfish? You’re not having a child for this child’s sake. You’re having the child for your sake.
Ok, what straw man? I’ve talked about it on the individual level and also in case such ideology spreads, there is literally people that advocate for the end of humanity on the antinatalist ideology, I do not follow it closely to be able to say if it is a big part of it or not, but I’ve seen it before and seen the stance getting praised and this is extremely dangerous. I’m not making this argument because of the possibility it might happen, being realistic it won’t, but because it just helps spread bullshit that blames everything on humanity itself like we are inherently bad.
That makes no sense to me, deciding to birth another human being and dedicating your life to them is the opposite of selfishness. Of course not everyone is like this, and people that just makes children and doesn’t give a shit about them are selfish, but the act itself is not.
Slippery slope fallacy
How? It’s the part about taking it to it’s logic conclusion, which I said was an exageration?