And here I was thinking these blow-and-go contraptions were self contained. I should have known better.
They want to be able to remotely disable vehicles, but in the process have made us vulnerable to all sophisticated actors to do so. Our leaders have their priorities all screwed up.
Once again proving backdoors are fucking idiotic.
Not sure that I would really agree that these are backdoor. Since disabling the vehicle remotely is kinda the express intention of this device. Just a consequence of how they designed them to not be circumvented by the operator.
Why is remote access the intention? Should the device not verify the alchohol % locally and then mechanically allow the car to star or not? What part of that needs any form of remote oversight?
Probably the part where keeping everything local would allow the driver to easily bypass the device. Splice a few wires, and boom. But if it is doing some off-site verification, they’ll be able to immediately know if the device is disabled. Similarly, they could do things like monitor the car’s location in real time, and have it throw up a red flag if the car is moving but the driver hasn’t performed a test. That would be a sign of tampering.
It also allows them to know if the driver fails the test, which is important for probation/parole reasons, where not drinking is often a condition of release. So if they fail the test, it should automatically alert their supervising officer. Can’t do that if it’s all local.
Yeah I don’t know, that’s a whole bunch of unnecessary surveillance.
Make the device work locally, make it in any way tamper resistant and mandate a yearly check up at a certified autoshop.
The solution to problems does not have to be “control every possible thing at all times”.
People deserve not to be monitored around the clock.
Since disabling the vehicle remotely is kinda the express intention of this device
Uhhh nope, there’s no reason for a remote connection.
Interlocks are for people who have had a DUI, by your logic ankle monitors should not be able to be accessed remotely.
Don’t break the law If you don’t want to be monitored by the state.
Interlocks are for people who have had a DUI
Yes I am actually aware, thanks.
ankle monitors should not be able to be accessed remotely.
Ankle monitors monitor location. Interlock devices monitor intoxication levels, and locally send a signal to the vehicle about whether it’s ok to drive. The difference should be obvious.
I mean, if someone is responsible enough to brethalyze themselves, they should also be responsible enough to not drive. Hooking the brethalyzer up to the car to disable it seems like a terrible idea.
Deoending on the way it’s implemented, a bad one could brick a car for hours if someone drunk tries it, but there are perfectly sober people who could drive. Or y’know, this shit with someone coming on and remotely disabling things all willy-nilly.
But. That’s the point. If no one breath tests then the car does not start. Hence it being an ignition interlock device. The whole point of the device is to stop drunk people from driving. If there is a sober person then obviously the drunk person should not do the test since that would lock the car.
Wait, are you telling me…
…that a device meant to disable a vehicle…
…was used to disable a vehicle?
Whould’ve thought?
It makes sense - a self-contained device can be circumvented. A connected solution is much, much harder to fool
Please explain further because I do not believe that.
Someone knowledgeable enough could tamper with the local equipment to get it to give false negatives, or always pass regardless of blood alcohol content. If it doesn’t phone home, the company (or the court) doesn’t know it’s been tampered with.
This is all theoretical, I know nothing about this tech.
It could phone home regularly without the ability to receive command to disable the car. Sounds like lazy enforcement.
I agree with you in principle but you could just have the person show up once a week for tamper checking. Those interlock devices are punishment for DUI/DWI so making the user show up once a week wouldn’t be too harsh, imo.
It make sense only if there you keep in mind that there is no way to be sure that it will be always connected, which does not seems to be the case…
Internet connected breathalyzer… May I ask why? If they need periodic recalibrations all of them don’t need it right now no?
Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
I had one disable my car in rush hour traffic in another city on a roadtrip, they had no way to do anything to get me back up and running. I assume this is for those kinds of cases. I was taking up a lane on the interstate with a cop staring at me, trying to hum the little fucker back to life while a tow truck came.
Boo for the cyber attack but fuck people who drive drunk repeatedly to the point of needing an interlock device. Maybe don’t drink and drive you fucking sack of shit.
Not-so hot take: the underlying issue is lack of public transportation.
100% for most places. However I’ll say Ive known alot of folks who will go up into the bush and get blasted only to drive home. I doubt transit would stop that shit.
Fuck the lock, ban them from driving. Inexcusable.
Comments sections. Where nuance goes to die. All context is flattened and your views must be expressed as black or white lest you get branded as having the wrong opinion.
Amen, Lemmy is in the starting stages of how reddit went my brother. It’s inherent to the format
Better nuance dies than innocent bystanders as the drunk driver plows into people.
I don’t think alcoholics should be allowed to drive, is that too much to ask?
Driving is a privilege, not a right, and the roads are already dangerous enough as they are.
I understand the dynamics in the US are what they are regarding cars and the lack of public transportation or bicycle infrastructure, but I don’t believe the avoidable deaths are a worthy trade off. Change needs to start somewhere, and excusing the deaths for some artificially created issue is not acceptable.
Perfect solution. Really needs public transit or walkable cities to work so win-win.
Of course better transit is a better solution, but at least while America is waiting for that, ride-hailing services can help fill a gap. Expensive? I have little sympathy for people who drove drunk on that count.
Driving under the influence is a ban able offence (reckless endangerment) in most countries.
So is a proper driver’s ed before giving even a learner’s permit. US loves giving a multi ton killing machine to untrained people with impulse control. And teenagers
I agree with you, but the difference is that, in the US, people NEED to be able to drive to function in society. That’s why the bar has to be so low to get a license.
I’m sure the lives lost were worth it so that alcoholics and irresponsible people can keep functioning in society. /s
Never knew anyone who had one, but a friend of mine dated a guy who did. He would beg her to breathe into it for him.
That’s insane but as an alcoholic I can absolutely see someone doing it.
Some are social butterflies who have to be out and about but talk about not learning lessons.
“Not learning lessons” is a pretty mild way to put it.
The only way it isn’t pure evil is if we allow that the alcoholic is not in control of their actions. And if we allow that, they cannot be trusted to drive, or really to even have their freedom. They are 5150, plain and simple.
They’re in control but reaching them is something best done by people like them in my experience.
Logic only goes so far, clearly.
I know someone that did it once and having to have one of these as a result. Suggest you reset your opinions a bit.
Nope, shouldn’t of done it once. Pretty easy to not drink and drive.
have, not of.
I too have never had a time sensitive emergency
What emergency is so time sensitive it’s worth killing yourself and a random family for?
The fact that you can’t actually think of an emergency is telling.
Still didn’t name an emergency worth killing yourself and a random family over
honestly, any emergency that involves hitting you and yours. that’s because i don’t feel like remembering them. i’ve been the car that the police pulls over because it’s driving erratically and then takes over driving. it’s an abstract concept to you. not to me.
Having a breathalyzer is letting them off easy, they deserve to lose their license
They lost their license for 2 years. The equipment was required to get it back.
“I know someone who only did a murder once and they locked them right up. Suggest you reset your opinions a bit.”
Replace murder with any crime.
If you don’t want to face the consequences, don’t do the action that begets the consequences.
TLDR: don’t fuck around if you don’t wanna find out.
Fun fact: In the US you can get a DUI for sleeping it off in your car, a passenger drinking while you drive (open container laws), or failing a bullshit coordination test graded by a racist cop without them ever checking your blood alcohol.
Also a fun fact: you could also just not drink and drive or allow others to drink in your car.
Do you think it’s justified to ban someone from driving for letting other people drink in the car?
If so, why? What good would that achieve?
Nice straw man. Murder != drunk driving.
Interlock devices are the bare minimum if you insist on allowing people who have proven they will drive drunk to continue to drive.
I was arguing with the point of “repeatedly” being a determining factor for having to have this device. It’s not reality, once is enough.
This is a great story to illuminate the large number of problems that could be addressed by decent public transit, better options for walking and biking, etc.
Hot take but if you need a breathalyzer to drive you don’t deserve to drive anymore.
I think it as undone, but there was a very serious plan to put breathalyzers in all cars. This cyberattack should give people some pause. https://www.jalopnik.com/the-in-car-breathalyzer-is-only-a-few-years-away-1850268311/
Yessss, we need more tracking in your day to day because drunks, yesssss, or the children, yessss, or uh, err, uhhh, teenagers, yessssss!
Please give us all your data! For safety reasons, yesssssa
Yeah, because it so much more smart to just buy another car if someone in your family need a breathalyzer to drive just because of a beer.
The first time I ever heard of/saw one of these things was in the show Pluribus, how common are they??
A “cyberattack”? Or vibe coded AI slop running as intended?
A “great question”? Or just AI brain in action?
Only you can explain what the fuck you’re talking about/prevent wildfires
Hegseth is gonna be even more angry than
bornnormal when he can’t drive from point a to point b because of this.That’s why he lives in the base. So he doesn’t have to admit he got his license revoked.
Only those cars that needed a breathalyzer for reasons.
Not much of a loss, I’d say.
Per bidens Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, that’s going to be every new car starting this year
2027 mandates every car have this. Its infuriating.
