As predicted, US will squash green efforts, and desperately cling to oil.
The oil we take will then become close to valueless as the rest of the world grows out of their reliance on it
We NEED to Cumpete with CHYNA! Which is Why we’re doing EVERYTHING to Force OTHER COUNTRIES to do Bizness with CHYNA!
-Republicans!
I don’t believe they are just evil, I believe they are actually fucking stupid as well, and short-sighted.
It’s the lead.
Funny how the anti-green energy USA is expediting the adoption of renewables around the world due to their moronic laws, policies and wars.
Can’t wait to see them left behind in the past with all that oil they can’t get enough of, when nobody will need it anymore in the rest of the world.
Both heavy and light oil will still be needed for other processes and products that can’t be replaced/way more difficult to replace than fuels. But decoupling oil from energy and transportation will have a huge impact on the market and be better for everyone in general.
Google says 25% of the worlds oil passes through the Strait of Hormuz, but it also says 55% off the worlds oil is used for transportation.
We should be able to fairly quickly (ie. Decade) cut oil by double what is impacted in trumps war
Hopefully the quantities will be small enough to make the USA irrelevant for a century, until they catch up again.
It won’t just make the USA irrelevant in the oil domain: it’ll impact the entirety of the OPEC group who’ll have to massively scale back production to keep the price high enough to sustain their economies.
The petro-dollar will be replaced with the electro-dollar (that is if the US dollar remains the world currency). So a different group of rare earth rich countries will emerge that’ll become more relevant than OPEC in the energy domain but not quite to the same extent as countries that are both gifted with geography to make them major energy exporters and have neighbouring countries/super-grid connections/renewable storage export capabilities will emerge as big players as well.
Most countries can produce some oil, and if there’s no demand it doesn’t matter what price they try to sell it at when no one buys it.
And those who can’t produce oil, will find alternatives. Exactly what is happening right now.
If countries become self-sufficient through green energy, which is 100% achievable, there won’t be any electro or petro dollars, making the USA irrelevant. Which is my hope.
It well be needed for awhile still but at reduced quantities.
After seeing the solar roofs in Aleppo, I think all cities should be like that.
Silver linings.
US: making themselves redundant for any future trading endeavors
God job.
Just give china the keys to the car.
Wise move. 5 d chess thinking right there.
Tell us more about transgenic mice and their secret agendas.
It’s often best the short and sharp pain of pulling out a tooth than the lesser but chronical pain (and possible nasty eventual consequences) of a rotting tooth.
I hope Canada is helping too. We Canadians have vacationed lots and lots over there in past years.
Okay so let me go over this again as I have an idea…
Nation that’s struggling with dependency on petroleum and unreliable supply chain turns to renewable energy. The solar energy is clean, reliable, requires little maintenance, and is helping that country become less reliant on foreign petroleum.
If that works for Cuba, a tiny nation with few resources, perhaps it would work in other more wealthy nations also. Perhaps if a nation were, say, reliant on petroleum to the point that they start multiple multinational wars to ensure their own access to oil, costing literally $trillions, it might be cheaper to put some or all of that money into renewable energy. Presumably China will sell their solar panels to whoever’s buying, yes? So why wouldn’t a larger, more developed country purchase them in great quantity so spending $trillions on military actions in the Middle East would no longer be necessary?
If a country like this has some of their own domestic oil production, wouldn’t it be a desirable future to just walk away from the Middle East entirely, let the oil assholes kill each other without our involvement, and run the country for a few decades on sunshine? Use that money to buy solar panels literally by the boatload / container-ship-load (or buy the tech and manufacture them ourselves), and then national security is improved through removing foreign dependencies?Or is this just crazy talk?
Now add corporate lobbying and campaign donations into this model and suddenly the math will start mathing.
Now, just take that analysis a little bit further by adding the consideration that those elected to manage the nation aren’t actually doing that and wondering why.
I bet it will yield interesting results about whose interests such people really serve.
Wait, you’re saying my Congresscritter who only shows up every few years to demand my vote (because it’s ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL THIS YEAR that we defeat the other party) isn’t actually laser-focused on my needs as a citizen?
That seems unpossible.
:P
The only place I’ve ever heard “congresscritter” was Rush Limbaugh or other right wing commenter. It makes me cringe every time.
All oil lobbiests, oil barons, and dipshit right-wingers whose primary source of info is focks nooz, blowroganexperience, and other propaganda outlets: it’d take 30 years to get the infrastructure in place for rEnEwAbLeS!
So what you’re saying is if we started during the oil crisis of the 70s, we’d be celebrating 25 years off our dependency on petroleum? If we started at the turn of the millennium we’d already be in the home-stretch toward completion?
You can’t think that way. Just understand that building clean infrastructure is too difficult and too expensive and will take too long. The electric car is always 10 years away.
(Like the dude or not- this is something you gotta give Elon Musk credit for-- before Tesla the electric car was perpetually ‘10 years away’, Tesla actually went and built one, and a whole fast charging network, with the intended goal of embarrassing other automakers into producing their own EVs and chargers. It worked, and I truly believe without Tesla we’d still be hearing that the electric car is only 10 years away.)
But for real, as a Freedom-loving American- it pisses me off because the sooner we start the sooner we’ll be finished, and then from a national security POV we are MUCH better off as we aren’t depending on shithole sandbox countries with religious dictatorships to provide our fuel.
Ehh, Tesla was building those things before Musk took over. It’s like the Nazis and the autobahn, these people are taking credit for previous good decisions when they take over.
OR, we could build those solar panels right here in America, and not only relieve the pressure on oil reserves, but kick off a new big American industry, backed by a national energy initiative, backed by tax incentives. There would be lots of new small businesses around the country selling and installing solar, creating thousands of new jobs.
We tried that. At least twice. One political party decided that investment was “fraud, waste, and abuse”, and shut it all down, driving manufacturing out of the country.
Good luck with that. Making solar panels is hard, and China is really good at it. Why not pay them?
Yeah, we can do hard stuff, too, and maybe we should start doing the hard stuff here.
We spent decades having to deal with other countries and our oil policies, and it’s been a nightmare of wars, embargoes, etc. Now that we can go down a completely different energy path, why shouldn’t we keep it inhouse? We need to work with other nations, but we don’t have to voluntarily line up to be totally economically enslaved to another country for the NEXT wave of energy.
I’m sincerely wishing you good luck. More solar more better.
I’ve been a solar advocate for decades. You got the sun giving off free energy all the time, and all those roofs and parking lots that could be covered with panels to capture that free energy, what’s the problem?
Oh, yeah, the Free part. American Capitalism doesn’t like the sound of FREE.
What a bunch of crazy talk. Next I bet you’re going to say something REALLY batshit, like we should stop offshoring all our manufacturing to China and build stuff here in USA, right?
Jokes aside- you’re quite right, but with one issue- making solar panels has a chemical environmental impact. If China wants to trash their environment to build our solar panels cheap, let them. Other than that I 100% agree we should be buying the tech and setting up our own manufacturing lines.
And this is what every other country should be saying about America. Espically tech we are enslaved to Americans cause let’s be honest there is no multinational companies. They are American companies spread over the world and have to do what America asks even If in another country.
The US govt has a responsibility to keep the PetroDollar in tact since Nixon killed the gold standard, otherwise the global dependency on USD is no longer maintained and other currencies have a chance to replace it.
This is currently happening, ofc, with ships crossing Hormuz by paying Yuan instead of Dollars.
Now that UAE has shown other countries how to leave OPEC, USD (read: everyday Americans) might be royallyfucked but at least USA might be able to move away from microplastics and pollution.
The US govt has a responsibility to keep the PetroDollar in tact since Nixon killed the gold standard, otherwise the global dependency on USD is no longer maintained and other currencies have a chance to replace it.
This 100%.
US Govt is propped up on debt. We have no financial discipline today and none is anywhere in sight. If our currency loses value we’re mega-fucked.
If petrodollar goes away, our currency loses a lot of credibility. And we are doing everything possible to ensure that everyone involved wants nothing to do with us.
Great strategy :)
Im sure it’ll all work out for the rich people, at least
Yes, it’s crazy talk because the sane thing is to have a cabal of pedophiles running your country and then bombing poor defenseless countries around the world to distract people from all the money they’re stealing.
This is nonsense. Pedophiles are attracted to PRE-pubescent children, like 0-12 years old.
We have a cabal of hebephiles (11-14yo) and ebephiles (15-19yo) running our country. And they don’t bomb poor defenseless countries, they bomb heavily defended countries that have military control of vital trade corridors and nuclear response capability. And they’re not just bombing those countries to distract people from the money they’re stealing, it’s also to distract people from demanding the release of documents proving they all signed up to rape early-teenaged girls.
Trust me, this is MUCH better this way :P
Hi there, I’m definitely not from the CIA, can I have your address please?
(Oh, btw, I just want to have a chat. There definitely won’t be any murdering shenanigans).Oh hi there fellow citizen with no connection at all to the government!
I’m at 123 Fake St, Nowheresville AL, 12345. Feel free to stop by anytime!
Is this where I develop sudden depression and decide that life is so not worth living that I shoot myself twice in the back of the head before driving my car off a cliff?
It’s infuriating how successful the oil companies have been at turning solar vs oil into a fucking culture war.
If you switch to Solar, THE COMMIES WIN.
I know! Oil is just a fiction and we can totally grow crops and fertilize them and make pesticides and plastics and chemicals with sunshine and rainbows which is why the population reached 8 billion by 2000 BC!
This is kind-of a non-sequitur to begin with, but we should not be burning oil to make energy— it’s stupid. We should stop doing that as fast as is possible, and the culture war element mentioned by the person you’re replying to is a obstacle that needs to be dealt with. As you’re keen to point out, it’s useful for manufacturing many vitally important things, so no longer setting it on fire is the only sane move. (Among many other reasons.)
What’s dumb is getting oil just to burn it is stupid. There are better ways now but momentum is hard to overcome.
Oil is made of sunshine and rainbows dummy, where do you think the energy comes from?
Ancient plants metabolized sunshine to produce fats and sugars, which were then consumed by animals. It all got cooked into a soup from millions of years of heat and pressure. Oil is basically a solar battery.
What’s wrong with gathering new solar energy?
Not crazy talk, Australia currently leads with the highest per-capita uptake of solar panels and it’s having a noticeable impact on our overall energy costs:
https://www.abs.gov.au/articles/household-solar-electricity-generation-australian-national-accounts
We actually produce so much excess solar during peak times that households without panels can opt for electricity plans which offer free electricity between midday and 3pm every day (inc. weekends).
We’re also rolling out a heap of household batteries to better help take advantage of this surplus production and offset peak demand times too.
The world is rapidly approaching a post-fossil fuel world; the transition will be slow at first, and then drastic all of a sudden.
Australia is also central to renewables because of the number of articles on grid storage.
Have you even said thank you to the oil companies?!
I’ve said Fuck You, and that’s pretty close.
Have you even said thank you to the oil companies?!
Good point. They made oil prices so high I bought a Tesla. Thanks guys you really did me a solid, best car ever :D
Out of all EV manufacturers, why tf did u decide to get a Tesla?! Hope you got yourself a used one, at least.
There was a point in time where Teslas really were the only good EV worth talking about.
Unfortunately, that’s arguably still true, in the us. Given the current administration’s desire to roll back the calendar, outside EVs have been effectively banned, and many of the choices we were finally about to get were cancelled.
If I were looking for a new EV today, Tesla is still by far the most compelling choice available to me.
Golf carts are better EVs than Teslas.
I bought it back in 2022ish, before Elon’s association with Republican politics.
That said- I’d buy another one in a heartbeat, new or used. The self driving feature is light years ahead of anything else. And unlike other manufactures (looking at GM) they don’t sell their customers driving habits to insurance companies. The security is actually pretty good unlike most automakers who institutionally don’t understand computers so they outsource most of it to their suppliers like Bosch, Delphi, etc.
If that’s your best car ever, you haven’t driven many cars.
It’s a 2023ish car so pre-refresh. The suspension is stiff and it lacks a lot of luxury creature comforts. But it’s FUN AS HELL to drive, tons of chargers everywhere, the nav system is top notch, and the self driving system is light years ahead of anyone else’s. Plus they don’t sell their customers data like GM and some others or show ads on the display like Stellantis.
Fun to drive? I’ve never experienced that. You drive a car. They’re all pretty much the same. I never take it above about 75. I wouldn’t call that fun. What’s fun about it?
Go test drive one and you’ll understand. Seriously.
Cars are pretty much the same, EVs are a different animal. No shifting, instant torque, full torque at all speeds. A Tesla SUV can out-accelerate many gas-driven sports cars. You put the hammer down on the highway and you’ve got instant 1st-gear-level acceleration.
Most people just want a reliable safe car, not a high-performance penis extension.
It doesn’t matter. I’m NEVER buying a car from that psychopath, at least not until he’s been imprisoned, and his companies nationalized (we paid for them, after all, they’re ours), and most of the profits gone to the workers who built it, and the remainder to a government account to fund social safety nets.
For what? Helping fertilize crops with synthetic fertilizers? Pshaw, all we need is more wind and puppies!
Which component of oil in fertilizer production can’t be replaced?
Or said country simply likes killing people around the world and oil is a convenient excuse.
Yes but what about the oil companies’ profits? Have you even considered their feelings?
But like diversified not controlled by a single entity, let’s see how the shareholders feel about that first.
But what would the shareholders of oil and MIC companies do if we stopped spending that money on oil wars? Won’t someone please think of the shareholders!?
At what point will the USA admit their embargo was and is a huge fuck-up and an embarrassment? It’s become a symbol of how full of crap we are. Has it been fifty years of this?
p.s. I looked it up because I’m dumb, it’s been SIXTY-SIX YEARS. It’s even older than me.
All the USA had to do for a fantastic ally by now is stop being an asshole. We could at least return the illegally seized Guantanamo Bay, which is kept just to insult them, really.
But where will commit torture in legal ambuity if don’t have a site off the coast on a land that isn’t us jurisdiction but also not the jurisdiction of a country we recognize validty of their human rights laws?
Like it’s a really special plot of land if are really trying to specialize in human rights abuse in internationally and domestically legally dubius ways.
All that say, honest wtf is wrong with some of these people
I mean, if their goal is to increase suffering for the Cubans, than that blockade is working pretty well.
It would be nice to imagine, but unfortunately it’s not like the solar panels are gonna solve all of Cuba’s problems, especially because they don’t have enough money to pay for a full transition.
After Trump is gone they may admit it.
Dunno why people don’t realize that Trump never admits he’s wrong about anything. He’s an extreme narcissist who throws tantrums like an overgrown toddler. His ego is inflated to such an extreme degree that any hint of any kind of fault on his part drives him into rage spirals from the cognitive dissonance.
Trump never admits he’s wrong about anything.
Trump is a reflection of the people who elected him (twice)
I doubt the USA will ever be able to admit that they (as a country) were ever wrong about anything.
I absolutely love that the tyrannical bullying by the US is going to result in a globally-visible solar win.
That being said, now I worry that this administration will simply bomb them from existence to keep it from happening.
It is hilarious how America is suiciding itself at multiple levels with its latest dick-wagging:
- It’s seriously pissing off its allies and pushing neutrals away.
- It’s showing the US’ force projection capabilities as a much smaller and weaker stick than they have been boasted as being.
- It’s acceleraring the move away from Oil and the USD status as Reserve Currency is linked to Oil trade and when it ends, well, Helloo hyperinflation!
- It’s acceleraring the move away from Oil when the US is commercially doubling down on Oil, which means that the US is stuck in a commercially fast shrinking market and in developing yesterday’s Technologies.
IMHO, we are right now living the end days of an Empire, something that even in the Modern Era only seems to happen maybe once a century.
There is a dangerous hope of the US admin being just such a fucking heel that the world is forced to be on the side of good in just pure desperation and opposition.
They are killing real people though and we do have to stop them still. The silver lining of mushroom bomb cloud can provide some comfort but if we see it we have still failed.
It’s like they’re trying to crush a bar of soap that just keeps slipping away.
“The more you tighten your grip, the more [countries] will slip through your fingers.”
Except not, as the same movie shows, some of them will be crushed and not lost.
I always recognize this Leia quote.
You can’t bomb wind and solar since they’re very spread out
see look it’s a revolutions YES YES YES
the commies were RIGHT oh oh oh OHHHHHH
they said the word!
Who is making solar panels?
And where on Earth is Carmen Sandiego!?
And who…who who whooooooooo wrote the book of loooooove?
My wife used to work for a company that manufactured the glass for solar panels in the UK, but there was just no way that they could compete with Chinese prices. They would have had to have sold it below cost to match, let alone make any profit. It’s not the most labour-intensive of industries, but the energy costs are massive to melt all the glass. China has made massive investments in hydro and has a lot of cheap power for industry, which ironically means that making solar panels for green power is easier too.
Plus their questionable stance on labor standards…
It’s almost as if the Free Market isn’t at all good at finding the optimal balance at a Strategical level …
Or even a local level, at this late stage its all about lobbying for ever increasing tax breaks and subsidies.
Regulatory capture should never be a part of a “Free Market” and that is one of the reasons it is failing us
Does it matter? It’s not the US, they wouldn’t be selling to cuba
China?
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Seems like China recognized a pattern about nations that invest heavily in the poorer parts of the world.
That was how USA used China against the socialist bloc after all. Of course they did.
So that “drill baby drill” didn’t just backfire, it backfired spectacularly yo the point where I’m thinking that we still might have a chance to stop climate change. Thanks Cheetos!
Cuba was already on track to build solar farms back in 2023, with planned completion by 2025.
I hate to tell you, but building solar isn’t going to do it. We need to basically defy thermodynamics in order to decarbonize the oceans and atmosphere simply to SURVIVE climate change. We are not stopping it. It’s already at heat levels that were, at one point, predicted to arrive in the later half of this century.
Edit: why down votes? I don’t understand. Nothing I said was wrong or rude or off topic. For what reason do people dislike this comment other than it made them feel sad?
I’m open to defying thermodynamics, if that’s what it takes!
Yeah, let’s send thermodynamics to Guantanamo where we can violate them in freedom, FREEDOM! No interference from those pesky laws of physics, just FREEDOM
Poor US always on the wrong side recently, and with such good intentions too.
Recently?
Yes the last 250 years.
Bwahaha… Good intentions, that’s rich
No, you’re thinking of the people keeping us in this mess.
cuba is always used as a boogeyman to keep cuban immigrants for voting against the gop
Collective punishment on the homeland to own the libs
Putin & Trump will be sited as being responsible for the push, by the World, for more solar and electric energies. These oil dinosaurs are forcing people to choose green alternatives just to exist. Which is exactly what they both never wanted. hahahahaha
Exactly, Europe was about to declare gas energy plants as “clean energy” but only thanks to Putin they were able to 180 before ratification
God I’d love to escape reliance on shitty power grids that usually end up torturing its citizens. Maybe once Orange Clown bites the dust we can FINALLY get some proper support for renewable energy like Solar Power.
Solar is already pretty popular in a lot of places, we’re going to have to start building out grid-scale storage and increased transmission capability between the different countries of the EU now if we want to be truly independent of fossil fuels without spending a quadrillion euros on nuclear plants everywhere.
I live far enough north that in the summer we peak at 18 glorious hours of daylight. Electricity prices go negative at times, you have to stop selling to the grid or you’ll lose money. But if you’ve got 18 hours of summer daylight, that means you have 18 hours of pitch black in the winter. The sun rises so low over the horizon that on the few days that it isn’t overcast, solar panels barely produce anything. Solar doesn’t produce anything for about 2-3 months. The difference as measured by a company doing home solar installations, is about 30x between the best and worst month. That’s a company that wants to sell you solar, so they’re not likely to overstate the reduction of efficiency in the winter.
We’re then dependent on our fossil plants (somewhat unreliable), wind (somewhat unpredictable) and Finnish nuclear plants - but those power us through the underwater ESTLINK cables and those don’t have enough bandwidth for heavy consumption periods, nor can the Finns sell everything they generate to us… And worst of all, some of that sweet nuclear power gets passed on to Latvia and Lithuania too. Oh and this is winter, where a lot of people need to run our heat pumps full blast at significantly reduced efficiency over spring/autumn time.
But at the same time, southern Europe isn’t affected as much by the lower solar angles and shorter days. There’s a reduction in generation for sure, but not comparable to northern Europe. If that electricity made its way here, we wouldn’t have to run our fossil plants as much in the winter. With enough storage, perhaps it could even be enough to last through cold winter nights as well.
I am hopeful that after the orange piece of shit eventually goes tits up, I’m really hoping that there will be a hard correction in the other direction.
There will only be a hard correction if we get politicians who are working for the US, and not to make themselves richer. We need to let them know what we expect from them.
meanwhile leaving their own countries lagging behind. “America First” lol.
*cited*
Putin made sure Western countries currently don’t want to use Russian fossil products. Ukraine is making sure that they can never be used again.
Their alternative is literally to bankrupt their countries, because those stupid fucking idiots put too many eggs in one basket.
Without oil/gas export, they can wave goodbye to their economies as they are today.
Truly champions of the environment and the common people. lol
funny enough Putin troll farms/propaganda and backing right wing govts was to make them dependant on natural gas/oil permanently, instead his propaganda worked to well and it had the opposite effect.
