I am trying to capture costs for starting into homelab/selfhosting.

VPNs, search engines, absolutely everything and anything.

    • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      $50/year electrical bill for a Pi?!

      Nevermind, I just did some back of the napkin math and came out around 35 a year if I was running one full power 24/7, so yeah, that is the right ballpark guess for a maximum.

        • Bytemeister@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          5 months ago

          I went off the power supply maximum output. 5.1 volts, 3 amps, so 15 watts per hour. 24hrs per day, 365 days a year, so 131,400 watt-hours, or 131kilowatt-hours. My electricity is about $0.25/kwh (advertised at 0.09/kwh, but when you add on bullshit fees, the final rate is much higher), so I came up with $32.85 as the maximum amount any device connected to that power supply could cost.

        • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          5 months ago

          A realistic Pi 4B-only estimate is about A$8–A$12 per year in electricity

          That’s about what I calculated for my locale. Roughly $0.30–$0.85 per month, around $0.48/month at 4 W. Which is remarkable especially given what you can run on one.

    • Zetta@mander.xyzEnglish
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      5 months ago

      This is why torrents are better! I torrent the highest quality files I can find so I’d blow through that 500gb quickly.

        • Zetta@mander.xyzEnglish
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          5 months ago

          ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i’m on two private trackers that aren’t that hard to get into and I routinely download 10 plus year old 50 - 100 gb files with good seeds. I have never run into something not decently seeded since I went private.

      • ITGuyLevi@programming.devEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Unlimited Usenet plans are pretty cheap to depending on sales.

        Edit to add: I’m not a quality snob, but I’d probably blow through 500GB way too quickly.

    • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      Usenet…boy that brings back some memories from back in the day. Surprised that it seems to still be going strong.

    • ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      5 months ago

      You might want to consider Premiumize for Usenet (and torrent cache) at that price. Catch it on the Black Friday sale. I think it does NZB as well.

  • Sunspear@piefed.socialEnglish
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    5 months ago

    For startup costs, ~80€ for a used micro PC a few years back (+100€ for a 1TB SSD for it).

    Since then

    • 6€/yr domain
    • 48€/yr email (proton plus using domain above)
    • I’m thinking of setting up Backblaze B2 for offsite backup, should be ~20€/yr for about 250GB stored continuously if I calculated right

    I never bothered with electricity costs, since it’s a small micro PC. It probably uses sub 20W average, which, next to an AC, fridge, and WFH costs, has to be negligible, the cost of buying a measuring device in itself is probably not worth it

        • sbeak@sopuli.xyzEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Planned obsolescence means that the thigh high socks degrade quickly, forcing consumers to purchase new pairs more often than they really need too. The fabrics are now less resistant to excessive sweat, moisture, and oils. Shrinkflation also means you get less sock for the same amount of money, increasing the margins for the sock megacorporations. Additionally, the missing sock ghost (who routinely steals socks from a pairs leaving victims with just the one) has struck a deal with Big Programmer Socks to increase the number of lost sock pairs over time in exchange for a large share of the profits.

      • djdarren@piefed.socialEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Electricity $200 Off-site backup $130 FOSS project donations $800 Thigh-high socks $3600 Domains £150

        someone who is good at the economy please help me budget this. my family is dying

        • dogs0n@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Im good at the economy. If you turn off the electricity you have an extra $300 for your Thigh-high socks

  • tjoa@feddit.orgEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Password manager for 10€/y and webspace which is free cuz I host some websites for money

      • tjoa@feddit.orgEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Oh it’s actually more like 20€/y i just realized, $19,80 to be exact. Bitwarden. But there was a post the other day that enshittification is going to start soon so idk what I will get then. If there is no good alternative I will probably start selfhosting that too

        • exu@feditown.comEnglish
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          5 months ago

          I’m in the same boat and looking for alternatives.

          The first one I tried was Psono, basics worked ok but I didn’t like how there was no keybinding to auto fill passwords. Another negative was the session handling, you’d either need a complete login including 2FA or keep the session active at all times without any prompt for the master password even after a restart.

          • Reannlegge@lemmy.caEnglish
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            5 months ago

            Run your own vaultwarden, you get to use all the bitwarden things for free. With rumours of enshitification coming let the people who do not do the self hosting pay for the development. If I had the money to donate I would have stopped the moment I heard the enshitification rumours.

            • exu@feditown.comEnglish
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              5 months ago

              I don’t want to worry about my password manager being down if I ever have a total outage for any reason

        • hellmo_luciferrari@lemmy.zipEnglish
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          5 months ago

          I currently pay for Bitwarden and self host Vaultwarden. As long as we can still use the Bitwarden app with Vaultwarden, I won’t have a problem.

          There isn’t another password solution I want to use currently.

          If we lose that self-hosted feature for Vaultwarden I will jump ship to a keepass compliant solution.

    • whimsy@lemmy.zipEnglish
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      5 months ago

      Which email host do you use? I can’t decide which one to go for. I want something like migadu but they seem a bit scary with their message limits. The other option I have in mind is purelymail but I don’t know if I trust them yet

      • tburkhol@slrpnk.netEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Not who you replied ti, but I’ve been on purelymail for about a year and a half. No complaints. $10.yr is great, and their billing statements claim I could be around $3/year if I switched to their advanced billing. I have nagging concern that they’re hosted on AWS, and if your goal is to completely free yourself of US tech giants, then purelymail won’t.

    • curbstickle@anarchist.nexusMEnglish
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      5 months ago

      Yeah thats… Pretty much it for me.

      Unless we want to include donations? But that doesnt fit the word “subscription” IMO.

      • antrosapien@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        5 months ago

        For a stretch, subscription should include every rent seeking expenses(not specifically for homelabbing); house rent, water, electricity, gas, phone, internet, monthly bus pass etc etc

  • captcha_incorrect@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Aside from domain costs, I don’t pay for any extra services in regards to my homelab. I pay for email as well because I don’t want to manage that.

  • ohshit604@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Suggest paying for a mini PC and hosting off of that opposed to a VPS, having a dedicated machine to tinker with is much easier, just have to beat the upfront cost.

    RPi also works but can get sluggish quite easily.

  • prenatal_confusion@feddit.orgEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Domain and vps about 20 per year.

    Spotify not because I am missing a navidrome server. But because I sometimes need the huge catalogue of it to browse.

    Edit: 70 for protonvpn. Need those Linux isos.

      • prenatal_confusion@feddit.orgEnglish
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        5 months ago

        It’s a vps from ionos and the 1€ per month was actually the 1gb ram version. I have since upgraded to a 3€ with 4gb I think so not entirely accurate. Domain is afaik 1 per month.

    • some_random_nick@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      Since you are paying, it seems to be worth it. I read a lot of mixed opinions online. What do you find there that you can’t on torrent sites? Or is it just ease of use?

      • Lka1988@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Ease of use (once it’s set up). Getting it set up is the tricky part, but it’s just tedious more than anything else.

        I actually have two subscriptions, one for the newsgroup and one for the indexer. The newsgroup access is monthly while the indexer is annual, like $12/yr or something, stupid cheap.

        Absolutely worth it.

  • Aniki@feddit.orgEnglish
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    5 months ago

    donations to lemmy devs and 2 fediverse servers are $10/month each, so $30/month total.

    • dogs0n@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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      5 months ago

      What!! Unless your VPN is hooked up through a NASA telescope and transmits your data through space and time 70 bucks per year is a SCAMMM!!! $70 every two/three years, that makes more sense.

      • LoafedBurrito@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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        5 months ago

        I live in the deep South and don’t want my information out there. Mullvad has done me right for years, I see no reason to change. Many other VPN’s are vulnerable and can leak your information to your ISP.

      • yannic@lemmy.caEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Depends on the currency and features. If you’re looking for something outside of the 14 eyes that allows port forwarding, your options are extremely limited.

  • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    5 months ago

    VPNs, search engines, absolutely everything and anything.

    • Wireshark (VPN): free
    • SearxNG (Search Engine): free
    • Equipment: widely varies

    The whole idea of selfhosting is to cut out corporate subscriptions and to retain your privacy, security, anonymity, and data.

    • hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      If the VPN is for phoning home, of course there’s free client and server software.

      But if it’s for spoofing a different location, you either get found out, or you have to pay.

      I wanna live in a world where I do not pay for anything but there is stuff that you can only really get if you pay.

    • Squizzy@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      5 months ago

      I am very concerned about selfhosting and exposing my network to the internet. I thought people had VPS etc.

      • tjoa@feddit.orgEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Selfhosting on a VPS can have its use cases (piracy). If you are worried about exposing it to the internet just don’t and ise company profiles on your devices to automatically connect your network using VPN

      • irmadlad@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        5 months ago

        A VPS is a Virtual Private Server, such as one would rent from a provider like digitalocean.com com or similar. Most of the crew here run their homelab off of equipment located in their residence. If a VPS is the path you’d like to take, then that would be a subscription. If you have equipment in your physical possession, that is yet another path. Either way, security is of utmost importance.

          • TheMadCodger@piefed.socialEnglish
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            5 months ago

            Tailscale is a layer on top of wireguard and is a VPN. Don’t open your home to the outside world, that’s just asking for trouble.

            Tailscale is a great choice for you at this stage for accessing your stuff from anywhere and not worrying about anyone else. Downside is if Tailscale decides to enshittify some day you (a lot of us) will have to figure what our next move is.

            For the casual and/or beginner, it really is an excellent service even at the free tier.

  • tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.gardenEnglish
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    5 months ago

    Yearly:

    • ~80€ for 6 domains (using all of them)
    • 125€ electricity (480kWh, 0,26€/kWh)
    • 540€ VPSes (joint projects where other admins have access, not entirely paid by myself though, still planning to migrate one of them into homelab)

    Not counting ISP since we have that anyways.

      • kossa@feddit.orgEnglish
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        5 months ago

        I have also like quite some domains.

        One just firstnamelastname to have it

        One for homelabbing

        One for business

        One, because I thought [email protected] was a cool idea. Now all my accounts run through it and I cannot change it anymore :/

        One for my old startup, where I just like the name to much

        One for another old business, but my mailserver runs through that domain, and it is too much of a bother to change that 😅

        So, remember folks: don’t buy too many domains, it becomes a liability.

      • tofu@lemmy.nocturnal.gardenEnglish
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        5 months ago

        Two are fedi instances, one is “official (related to my legal name)” and mostly used for email, one for personal selfhosted stuff I want to access from outside without vpn (like this Lemmy instance), one used to be a local concert calendar which I sunset so it’s not needed anymore. Currently forgot the sixth one lol