I figured this would be notable enough to show here.

DSP showed that no player input is needed to complete Wolverine’s first motorcycle section. Considering he’s the sort of guy this level of difficulty is made for, even he’s baffled that he didn’t need to do anything to clear the section.

The people who say the game is far too easy may have a point.

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    I saw VideoganeDunkey’s video where supposedly you can press any of the buttons during QuickTime events, even wrong ones and they complete anyway.

    At this point I can’t tell if that was a gag or for real

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    There could be a couple of reasons why this is the way it is:

    • Lazy game design. Failure states have to be written, balancing has to be tested, if you did this right.
    • Appealing to the broadest player base. If anyone can win, no one is excluded by skill issues (like game journalists who aren’t skilled)
    • Crunch. Balancing and failure were supposed to be included but were cut due to releasing too easily.
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      Something I realized pertains to the first car crash.

      It’s likely a LOT easier to animate if the devs don’t need to account for exactly how fast the player is slashing up tires. Plus, they don’t need magic tricks to account for a 1…N long stretch of road that accounts for however long the player needs to chase them down (eg, Uncharted 2’s fantastic train level)

      So you can definitely see that laziness and a rushed development timeline would just shove out something that looks okay but has no actual gameplay because it’s a cinematic moment playing itself.

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      A self-absorbed streamer who sucks at every game he plays. Nearly all of the “This is how you don’t play” compilations are about him. The TIHYDP videos of his MGS playthroughs are particularly famous.

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        What about the 15 minute game unboxing video that has a fire alarm going off the entire time where he never even actually unboxes the game

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    feels like we’ve shifted the opposite way of how games used to be. you used to not be able to beat a game on easy difficulty (twisted metal for example) now the games are so easy they beat themselves for the most part

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      Ok, to be fair, this is one way-too-easy game in a general release cycle of really good hard ones. Let’s not stretch one bad point out to a huge trend.

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    I have no problem with this. The game is highly cinematic, one section that you can get through while making yourself dinner in the other room is ok, and honestly Kinda fun to watch.

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    I am one of the people who stubbornly select the hardest difficulty on any game after getting the basics out of the way. I still can see the value of offering a “difficulty level” that lets you simply enjoy the story without being bothered by anything that is considered “hardcore gaming”, such as the God Mode in the Hades games or similar things. That’s valid! Not everyone is playing games since their childhood.

    But this is simply garbage. If it finishes without me using any input, then i could just watch it on youtube and not pay $$$ for it. It is a deceptive tactic to get you to pay for something that should be inherently interactive, while your decisions don’t matter in the slightest. It is like selling a movie as a game - a movie is fine if i want it, but gaming as a medium lives from the interactivity.

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      There’s hard mode, and then there’s hard mode.

      Does hard mode uncap the enemy AI so that it can use all of its moves, and allow it to attack from offscreen so that you need to be more aware of positioning, like Ninja Gaiden? Does hard mode add additional objectives so that you need to interact with the levels more, like the Thief series? Does hard mode increase certain kinds of damage, so that you have to engage with the systems more, like alchemy in the Witcher series? These are ‘good’ hard modes, that make the game much more interesting.

      Does hard mode simply make all the enemies spongier, so that everything just takes longer? Well, that’s a lot less interesting. Might as well play those games on ‘normal’.

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        A great example of spongier enemies with little additional difficulty is basically any Bethesda game, which is particularly bad with Oblivion and Fallout 3 since those two already have spongier enemies on average.

        Also you should add AI just outright cheating to this as well, it’s not as common as the previous two but it’s still there with some games namely strategy games of the paradox variety. I particularly hate it with EU4 cause luvky nations can go die in a fucking hole, I want the achievements if I’m gonna do an ironman run but I don’t want the already busted great powers to be even more busted.

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        I personally like my games being hard, making me think and make deliberate decisions between positives and negatives. But I would never invalidate someones experience by shitting on them for using a game mode that allows them to experience the story of the game without any barriers.

        This garbage media offers the illusion of being a game. I wouldn’t be against it, if it were sold as such - there are a lot of FMV games out there that are worth their money. But if what you do doesn’t matter, it’s not a game anymore. It’s a glorified youtube video, and should be priced as such.

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    These devs clearly played the train mission in San Andreas and were left emotionally scarred.

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      DarkSydePhil and the game is literally just “Wolverine”. DSP is notorious for being kind of a miserable person who, in the nearly 20 years he’s been making gaming content, has never learned how to play a video game.

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        DSP is notorious for being kind of a miserable person who, in the nearly 20 years he’s been making gaming content, has never learned how to play a video game.

        I’ve never heard of him either but this is clearly false since he’s displaying full mastery of a game in the video we’re commenting on.

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    You know, when people said “Modern games are like movies that you can play,” I don’t think they meant to emphasize the optional meaning of the word “can.”

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    People will play this like “Fucking hey! I aced that bike segment first time!” all proud of their gaming skills when the reality is you did absolutely nothing, my brother.

    One way of thinking says maybe that’s okay. Maybe people just want to have a chill time and win and not struggle. Maybe that’s fine.

    But on the other hand, it’s utterly deceptive.

    To me, this is a reflection of the entirety of modern capitalism. Appeal to everyone. Don’t exclude anyone. Provide an illusion of choice while giving everyone the exact same homogenised experience. Provide the appearance of agency while removing all actual control.

    I don’t like it.

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      But on the other hand, it’s utterly deceptive.

      Many video games have a lot of tricks to make the player feel skilled, despite cards being stacked heavily in their favour. Take Uncharted: enemies in those games can’t shoot you for a second after you poke out of cover, so you can take a few shots without being immediately gunned down. The player is never informed of this. Or in the new Doom games, the lower end of the health bar is worth more than the upper end, so you’ll feel like you’re barely holding on even though you’ve still got some buffer room.

      Doesn’t mean taking things to this level of absurdity is great or anything, but being “utterly deceptive” is what makes a lot of games fun.

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        Of course :)

        Games by their very nature are not real and even the ones which don’t directly adapt to your success or failure will certainly make concessions to reality and intentional design decisions which make the game more fun.

        Personally I think game design is an intriguing subject and some of the ideas developers come up with are absolute genius, like the doom health bar you mentioned. It ramps up the tension, but yet it’s still finite, and if you play terribly you will die.

        That to me is the difference. Tell white lies to the player to boost their fun, yes, but don’t remove all consequence with fake infinite health, a bike that steers itself, and QTEs that auto-succeed no matter what you do.

        A game you can only win is a game with no agency, and that’s hardly a game at all.

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        I noticed that straight away in Doom Eternal, really irritated me. What’s the point of having full health if 20% HP is actually 80% hp? Made the tension feel artificial because I knew I was never actually low HP, it was an illusion

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      People will play this like “Fucking hey! I aced that bike segment first time!” all proud of their gaming skills when the reality is you did absolutely nothing, my brother.

      I remember a little indie game predicated on this once. You were shown upcoming game state the player was in, and had to make choices so they’d get the maximum score without doing anything. I was a like Columns or Tetris like game, so you’d have to arrange the board so if they just dropped the pieces they’d get a combo.

      Weirdly fun, interesting commentary.

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      People will play this like “Fucking hey! I aced that bike segment first time!” all proud of their gaming skills when the reality is you did absolutely nothing, my brother.

      I wonder if actually trying makes it more difficult. Does it actually let you crash into stuff and miss jumps, or does it just override your mistakes even harder?

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    Lots of hate for this game. Been playing video games my entire life. I’m 41 and have moved towards cozy games and games on easy because I have enough stress in my life. I’m actually enjoying this game.

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        It’s also a huge shift from The previous Spider-Man games from the same studio. If you liked those and had the same expectations, you’ll be rightfully disappointed.

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          The disappointment has nothing to do with spider man. This is just a disappointing game on its own.